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Winester is right here.
You are wrong here.
Winester
While I certainly respect the argument that the use of dumb munitions is a huge problem. I think that the amount of aid that is getting through needs to increase and efforts need to be made to create a distribution network.
It's hard to discuss actual solutions when you insist the IDF is intentionally targeting civilians and unilaterally blocking aid when you have no evidence that is the case.
Winester is right here.
You are wrong here.
Winester
The Twitter thread includes technical details not contained in the newsprint article.
Israel warned Gazans to relocate to safe areas, then bombed them there. The bombing continues.
WaPo thinks the evidence for Al-Shifa Hospital being a Hamas command center is weak.
https://archive.ph/6MvFC#selection-617.0-729.83After storming the complex on Nov. 15, the IDF released a series of photographs and videos that it said proved its central point.
“Terrorists came here to command their operations,” Hagari said in a video published Nov. 22, guiding viewers through an underground tunnel, illuminating dark and empty rooms beneath al-Shifa.
But the evidence presented by the Israeli government falls short of showing that Hamas had been using the hospital as a command and control center, according to a Washington Post analysis of open-source visuals, satellite imagery and all of the publicly released IDF materials. That raises critical questions, legal and humanitarian experts say, about whether the civilian harm caused by Israel’s military operations against the hospital — encircling, besieging and ultimately raiding the facility and the tunnel beneath it — were proportionate to the assessed threat.
The Post’s analysis shows:
- The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
- None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
- There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.
You understand that stuff that does not make it in to ones articles is because it is unverified much like your tweet.
trolling twitter for outrage material. Holiday in Cambodia indeed.
It's the Twitter account of the NYT visual investigations guy. There's a parallel article in the NYT, but, as I mentioned previously, I linked the twitter thread because it lays out methodology not included in the article.You understand that stuff that does not make it in to ones articles is because it is unverified much like your tweet.
I guess we'll just have to pretend nothing is happening in Gaza and the no one is telling the truth until it can all be independently confirmed at a later date.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-22-2023 at 01:39 PM.
They did not have your scenario of IDF directing people to a place then bombing it. He is just showing bomb craters in the south and admits he has no time line for them.
Is Hamas operating in the south?
As a CiC sure but there is no question that it was part of their infrastructure due to the facilities they unquestionably had under the hospital.
I'll boil it down for ya, Lumps>>>The Holocaust
how would Hamas drop a 2000 pound bomb? it beggars credibility to think they'd have something that destructive and only use it on themselves.
I am saying that if Hamas is operating anywhere they can expect to be bombed. They have in the past and are still operating in the South.
So no place is safe for civilians and children.
...or, the 45th President of the United States for that matter.
It's a war zone so no. However going to where the aid is coming in and being distributed is safer than where Hamas is. Men and soldiers are not safe there either.
You sure about that?
If there were incidents of aid camps getting blown up your lot would be posting them. Instead you are looking for bomb craters, waving your hands, and screaming genocide.
Conversely I can find all kinds of examples of Hamas installations being bombed.
You have a point beyond your White Knighting, Chumpie?
You'll have to post the quotes from me on that or fold. Your grudgerage is so high you can't keep track of who said what.
Conversely I can find all kinds of examples of Hamas installations being bombed.
You have a point beyond your White Knighting, Chumpie?
I'll wait for all those quotes I made.
And since you dodged a direct question again, I can only conclude you aren't sure at all.
No point as usual.You'll have to post the quotes from me on that or fold. Your grudgerage is so high you can't keep track of who said what.
I'll wait for all those quotes I made.
I was referring to your fair maidens tweets we were discussing. Of course even in the hours since you've started your gallantry, I suppose there was too much read to see what was being discussed.
Of course because you can only assume your premise to be true as opposed to making an argument.And since you dodged a direct question again, I can only conclude you aren't sure at all.
Your question not being answered just means you are as ignorant as before. Nothing less and nothing more.
Quit lying and you'll be less angry.
Get him, Lumps!!!
I find you amusing. I recommend introspection.
I try to talk about the subject and you want to talk about me. Mad is as mad does.
You are only talking about me.
I recommend you calm down and quit trying to impress people here.
Here is my post trying to get you to talk about the issue:
and here is your completely non-topical response completely about me or how you will beat me.
It's so cute too because you simultaneously do nothing but personal attacks and with the same brain you blame me for them. You must've been quite mad.You'll have to post the quotes from me on that or fold. Your grudgerage is so high you can't keep track of who said what.
I'll wait for all those quotes I made.
Anywho you guys still have no evidence that IDF is intentionally targeting civilians. Deal with it.
ANd yes my antagonizing people and actinlg like pedantic is to 'impress' people,
No compare and contrast, you jumping in any time another certain poster gets into an argument to save the day. That behavior is approval seeking.
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