View Poll Results: Pop's incomptency or Players suck?

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    Honestly it seems starting to look like the roster is g-league level. The greatest chef also wouldn't be able to make a good dish if all the ingredients are rotten.

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    Where's the "both" option?

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    Where's the "both" option?

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    Where's the "both" option?


    Only can pick 1

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    I'm guessing not a Native English speaker?

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    100% the roster is poorly constructed.

    I'm telling you guys, if you watch the players in isolation, and just watch them on both ends, it becomes very clear who gives effort in both ends. Who has BBIQ.

    For example, Keldon's D, especially his weak side help D, is an abomination. There are times he doesn't move when he has to be the guy to force a pass so the team doesn't have a layup/dunk.

    I've been doing that this season a bunch. Really eyeballing one player up and down the court.

    What I took away from doing so is that the only players that deserve to be on an NBA floor are/were: Wemby, Bassey, Cedi, Mamu, Jones (but is so disadvantaged by his height defensively). Sochan, Vassell, Collins, and McBuckets both show something in flashes but are far from consistent.

    Aside from them, we have absolute turnstiles.

    That said, Pop is far from blameless. The that Pop has let Keldon get away with defensively is utterly embarrassing. And by allowing it, he permits the results we get....which are the absolute worst defensivevteam in NBA history last year followed by the 2nd or 3rd worst team this year. And the only reason there's been improvement is because of Wembanyama's impact on the team stats when he's in.

    There will never be a winning team comprised by the current roster and coaching style.

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    Honestly it seems starting to look like the roster is g-league level. The greatest chef also wouldn't be able to make a good dish if all the ingredients are rotten.
    Put Gordon Ramsey or any other really great chef in a Taco Bell. Then challenge them to use and cook with said restaurant's ingredients and whatever else that's used there, and it'll be the best damn Taco Bell you have ever had, bar none. But at the same time, I get what you're saying.

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    Honestly it seems starting to look like the roster is g-league level. The greatest chef also wouldn't be able to make a good dish if all the ingredients are rotten.

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    yes

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    The year the Spurs last won the championship, in 2014, Pop had coached the team extra hard since the very first day of training camp, going so far as to bring the team to the Air Force Academy to do military-style training.

    This year, he just seems a lot more mellow.

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    It's obviously a mix of both, but of course Pop is also doing a bad job. Unless he's absolutely purposely throwing the games and it's simply flying over our heads (CIA Pop).

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    The year the Spurs last won the championship, in 2014, Pop had coached the team extra hard since the very first day of training camp, going so far as to bring the team to the Air Force Academy to do military-style training.

    This year, he just seems a lot more mellow.
    Correct but it ain't just this year. He's had his nuts clipped since neph broke his heart. The last year I remember him showing fire with poor play or missed assignments with any regularity was 2019

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    Correct but it ain't just this year. He's had his nuts clipped since neph broke his heart. The last year I remember him showing fire with poor play or missed assignments with any regularity was 2019
    I actually think it was Lapussy Softdridge asking for a trade coming off a 60 win season and a trip to the WCF that neutured Pop. First time in his life he had to deal with a selfish player he couldn't just ship off. He didn't know how to handle it and it just completely broke him tbh.

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    I actually think it was Lapussy Softdridge asking for a trade coming off a 60 win season and a trip to the WCF that neutured Pop. First time in his life he had to deal with a selfish player he couldn't just ship off. He didn't know how to handle it and it just completely broke him tbh.
    No. Twas neph. He literally chased that mothrr er down to both coasts, first getting cucked in New York completely while that miserable POS hid in closets to avoid seeing Spurs reps, then giving him a 30 min lunch in San Diego where pop's pleadings fell on deaf ears.

    I know some of you have a deep hatred for LMA but I can't imagine comparing the ins utional trauma between those two. And unlike nephs immature nonsense was, LMA and pop met and worked it out like men, then nearly won 70 games the next season. It was, and will always be neph.

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    No. Twas neph. He literally chased that mothrr er down to both coasts, first getting cucked in New York completely while that miserable POS hid in closets to avoid seeing Spurs reps, then giving him a 30 min lunch in San Diego where pop's pleadings fell on deaf ears.

    I know some of you have a deep hatred for LMA but I can't imagine comparing the ins utional trauma between those two. And unlike nephs immature nonsense was, LMA and pop met and worked it out like men, then nearly won 70 games the next season. It was, and will always be neph.
    They didn't "meet and work it out". Pop said if he could get what he wanted for LMA he would trade him. There were stories they were trying to trade him during the draft that year. Nobody wanted him cause he was a moody low iq malcontent who only cared about getting his numbers.

    Even the way LMA left the team was ty. Said he "couldn't get his rhythm" coming of the bench...after coming off the bench once or twice...then just left the team. Spurs tried to dress it up as they were going to start playing younger players and they were moving in another direction. Then as soon as LMA went to the nets he started coming off the bench and i never heard any talk about him "Getting his rhythm" .

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    Honestly it seems starting to look like the roster is g-league level. The greatest chef also wouldn't be able to make a good dish if all the ingredients are rotten.
    In this case the chef hand picked the ingredients. It's not like the NBA sent them a bus load of players and said "this is your team".

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    It's both, isn't it?

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    They didn't "meet and work it out". Pop said if he could get what he wanted for LMA he would trade him. There were stories they were trying to trade him during the draft that year. Nobody wanted him cause he was a moody low iq malcontent who only cared about getting his numbers.

    Even the way LMA left the team was ty. Said he "couldn't get his rhythm" coming of the bench...after coming off the bench once or twice...then just left the team. Spurs tried to dress it up as they were going to start playing younger players and they were moving in another direction. Then as soon as LMA went to the nets he started coming off the bench and i never heard any talk about him "Getting his rhythm" .
    Of course tgey worked it out. LMA wasn't content with how he was bring used. Pop conceded he was right. Pop uses him differently and tgey win what 67 games. How is that LMA being a bad teammate?

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    Do you all realize this is the youngest team in the NBA? Has anyone considered the fact that in order to tank for Wemby the spurs had to get rid of all their best players, and Wemby isn’t good enough yet to make up for that?

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    75% players 25% pop

    but pop isn't playing to win (lol people who take pop's words at face value). he's playing to develop the potential core and evaluate the rest (lol people who don't take pop's words at face value)

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    Both.

    First it’s the staff and pop who killed the team With that sochan’s pg experience and by not choosing who will be on the bench between sochan and keldon.

    then the players are showing no heart and are playing pretty bad.

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    Almost 30 games in the season the spurs are dead last in opponent 3 pointers made and opponent 3 point %. Last season they were also dead last in opponent 3 point %. Seriously, teams on average are shooting 39.2% against the Spurs, basically turning every team into an elite 3 point shooter on high volume against them. This also fits the eye test too as it seems like every other game a 3 point shooter has a career night against the spurs. This is partially on the players but a ton of this is on scheme - guys should not be collapsing and rotating off good 3 point shooters especially when you now have Wemby in the paint.

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    This is an absolutely horrific constructed roster. And pop is old as fuxk,definitely not a good combination

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    Almost 30 games in the season the spurs are dead last in opponent 3 pointers made and opponent 3 point %. Last season they were also dead last in opponent 3 point %. Seriously, teams on average are shooting 39.2% against the Spurs, basically turning every team into an elite 3 point shooter on high volume against them. This also fits the eye test too as it seems like every other game a 3 point shooter has a career night against the spurs. This is partially on the players but a ton of this is on scheme - guys should not be collapsing and rotating off good 3 point shooters especially when you now have Wemby in the paint.
    You mean like Keldon playing help defense on Giannis (slowly and in poor position mind you at that) off Dame?

    But you nailed it, our 3pt defense is where we are killed night in and night out. What you didn't quite mention is that we're actually on a worse pace this year when Wemby isn't on the floor.

    And the reasons are multi-faceted, ranging from poor understanding of the scheme, poor coaching, poor BBIQ, poor or no effort, poor rotations, overcoming a teammate's effort or rotation which leaves you in a bad spot, or when you help but your teammate doesn't, etc. Those last ones are the real problem as those ultimately eat away at team dynamics like trust and commitment to team goals. It's team cancer that often metastasizes into all out surrender and strife.

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    Both.

    First it’s the staff and pop who killed the team With that sochan’s pg experience and by not choosing who will be on the bench between sochan and keldon.

    then the players are showing no heart and are playing pretty bad.
    Just watching Luka clown them was enough to know they aren't ready for real NBA minutes.

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