and again I posit you do not know as much as you think you know about shooting. I get presumption this is awesome.
And further the shooting improvement he had the first quarter of the season was after an offseason. An offseason where he spend the entire time learning to be a PG.
Now he is back at PF midseason. That occurrence which correlates with his shooting performance drop absolutely could be cause.
did the match. if you exclude sochan, the rest of the team has shot 34.1% from 3 in the games since sochan was benched. so its not like the team is in some general shooting slump since the change. its just him."tanks"
the team is shooting 32.6% from 3 in the games since sochan was benched. they are at 34.3% for the season
Okay. That is one of my arguments and seeing that no other argument depended on it, I accept your argument and still maintain my position.
it shows that you are just throwing around
but what about the rest of the team's non-existent shooting slump?
but what about the change in shot type/quality that i cant demonstrate?
Are there any examples of a player moving from PG to PF midseason in NBA history?
Yeah I figured I should restate my argument.
You are not a shot expert in any way shape or form. Your incredulity in how he could have improved given what you see in his shot is worth nothing.
Meanwhile we have an event where he moved from PG to PF which correlates with his slump. And I did discuss the dynamics of that and as usual you just ignored the inconvenient argument.
That’s the problem — they’re not really developing anyone. They seem to be experimenting, but the experiment is nonsensce.
Pop’s previous success came under cir stances every different than the ones the spurs are currently facing.
I feel that the defense has been improving. The offense is dog but the rotations are more often on time and only one person, players doing a better job playing through contact, and recognizing when to switch. The defensive rebounding game is progressing.
no one felt OP blew this thread by promising a new big 3 but coming back with essentially 3 bullet points summarized as "hustle, hustle, hustle" this is why i don't take the not sniff sniff group serious. it's whine whine whine, why does tanking look bad, why can't we win without HOF talents!
Let the draft and free agency play out. Last year we had major minutes with vets to stabilize the game. This year vets play a back seat to young talent. it is what is.
I think most of the modestly improved defense of late is attributable to Collins being moved to the bench and a reduction in his minutes.
RIF
Guarding the three point line requires hustle? Drawing fouls instead of avoiding contact isn't a hustle issue either.
The Spurs have at least one hall of famer on the roster right now. They're worse than they were last year.
Facepalm it's chronic.
Just watched about 1/2 the Jazz game.
FFS it's still chronic.
It truly cannot be Pops fault if someone made a song about him
https://youtu.be/kXgEoQviIBw?si=9c0ojVqw2hC2Awo1
i know it’s old but it’s worth a laugh
"We need to run the offense primarily through Wemby"
When are we gonna talk about the elephant in the room that Wemby sucks ass at dribbling the basketball and gets put off balance/ripped every single time he tries to attack? And also has no back to the basket game? Hard to run your offense through a player like that.
^ It's tough for a big man to be a 1st option on a contender without being a back to the basket hub. Nowitzki was the only one who wasn't, but he was an elite shooter. Durant is like a half big because he has the frame of one, but he's really a perimeter player and is also an elite shooter.
Wembanyama doesn't have the frame to be the former archetype and obviously has a long ways to go to become the latter. Otherwise, he'll be evolutionary Robinson/Garnett/Davis, which will end up being thought of as a disappointment considering the James level hype.
Wemby is going to expend so much energy on defense that a high-energy offense style, like lots of dribble drives, just won't work unless he doesn't play many minutes.
Except he doesn't. His handles were great in France, and were the same way early on. As time has gone on he does too much, so he dribbles up court and gets picked from behind or he keeps it too long and turns it over. He isn't a poor dribbler, he is just doing things that you shouldn't do against NBA defenders.
This is the same effect on his shooting, which is why his percentage has gone down. He does too much when he has the ball because he doesn't touch it enough. He's still a good shooter but he's taking low quality shots.
You're right about his in-the-paint game. He isn't a good post player, which is why I never wanted him as a 4 or 5 on offense.
I think he takes bad shots because he probably feels he doesn't get the ball enough, but more importantly he isn't great at self creating, and for that reason it's hard to completely run the offense through him. Also why we need a creator/point guard.
he's not great at self creating yet, and many of the touches he gets are at disadvantageous positions where he is forced to do something
as chinook points out, he's also not great at making himself a target
but we also dont have anything resembling a table-setter to make things easier for him
easiest thing he can do right now is set better screens and emphasize making contact so he can free up his rolls. he also needs to slow down and stop trying to do so much. he should be able to take pretty simple shots, basic jump hooks, etc. he doesnt need to reinvent the wheel to get shots off near the basket
Exacerbating the problem Xs 10 is teamates are horrible at moving without ball, lead by incompetent offensive strategies.
I watched closesly as Wemby tried to work some stuff with Vassell vs the Jazz. Wemby looked very frustrated at Vassells lame efforts.
I know I replied to this already but I wanted to add something else.
I was and am one person calling for the offense to run through him, but I also said I want him to be the small forward because basically he sucks at getting position down low, he has no back to the basket game, as you pointed out, and his teammates can neither pass him the ball nor draw defenders to generate plays going toward the rim.
What Victor has done well through his career in France and early on here was generating offense from the perimeter. He can step into gaps, he can obviously shoot with very little space, and he doesn't typically get his pocket picked when facing up. He is a crafty and willing passer and has a huge basketball IQ that is going to waste.
I mean yeah he was fine handling the ball in Eurpope but this isnt Europe. The players here are way faster and stronger. He clearly has trouble putting the ball on the floor. He literally fumbles the damn thing all the time because at this point he's so paranoid about getting stripped. He needs to learn that when he catches the ball, he needs to immediately go into his move, get a step on the guy guarding him(some extra strength training in the offseason will help this) and not allow time for defenders to come pick his pocket.
I saw him bring the ball up against Utah and he looked over his shoulder to see a guard coming up behind him, avoiding getting it poked out. That's clearly an improvement. Again, it's not that he can't dribble, and I think we agree on that. It's the positions he gets into, and as you mentioned, his thinking too much as a result. That is a coaching issue, and he is having to learn these things on his own.
Amazing the definitive conclusions drawn by many about Wemby based on a small sample production handicaped by a horrible roster, no PG no veterans to help/teach
He's 19 yo ffs
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