Spurs fans are turning on Gregg Popovich over Victor Wembanyama 'mismanagement' (Article)

[weebo]

If the spurs were winning more games than they have now, spurfan would be ing how we're just a mid team and PATFO are screwing up their draft position. You just can't win with some of these jackasses around here.

[Tyronn Lue]

ST would have imploded if the spurs had gone and wasted their cap space on the likes of a van vleet and cp3 and damian were never going to come here. there was very little the spurs could actually do to dramatically improve this roster. at best, the spurs would have been what the rockets currently are. what we see on the floor now is the result of a liquidation sale that resulted in securing a great asset in Wemby. i don't think the entire roster is junk but there are players on this team that shouldn't be starting or considered the 2nd and 3rd options. vegas was right about this team. it's bad. what none of us know is exactly what the front office tells Wemby. the Spurs aren't going to announce their future plans to anyone but there's a pretty decent chance that they keep their best player in the loop.

I'd put this with what vy65 said. The Spurs weren't going to get a big name, but it doesn't make any difference what fans would have said if they tried. It would only matter to Victor if they tried. Putting nobody around Victor is telling him and his agent "we are giving up on this really fortunate cir stance that fell into our lap before it even gets started, because we don't have anyone already on the roster to put with him". This isn't David's rookie year, Victor stands to gain or lose millions in his career simply by how this franchise sets his trajectory this season. This is likely what Victor, whatever Uncle Dennis he might have in his life and his agent will think about it if the doesn't resolve pretty quickly.

[Tyronn Lue]

If the spurs were winning more games than they have now, spurfan would be ing how we're just a mid team and PATFO are screwing up their draft position. You just can't win with some of these jackasses around here.

Once you get the 1st overall pick, you should stop tanking. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a ing idiot who hasn't looked around the league at teams who did otherwise. However it's telling that you think it's about winning and losing. The Spurs could lose the same number of games but do it because they are building something. Right now they aren't even sure what they have, much less what to do with it.

[Joseph Kony]

If the spurs were winning more games than they have now, spurfan would be ing how we're just a mid team and PATFO are screwing up their draft position. You just can't win with some of these jackasses around here.

nah. the general consensus during the offseason was the team would still suck but would at least be compe ive because instilling a losing culture in your #1 pick, who by all accounts wants to win, was not good for business. yet here we are

Besides, the Spurs can still lose a lot of games without getting blown out every night en route to the 3rd worst point differential in NBA history while breaking their own record for consecutive losses. People here just want to see them be compe ive, at the very least. sniffers always trying to find a way to justify Pop being braindead rofl

[rjv]

[QUOTE=Tyronn Lue;11006167]I'd put this with what vy65 said. The Spurs weren't going to get a big name, but it doesn't make any difference what fans would have said if they tried. It would only matter to Victor if they tried. Putting nobody around Victor is telling him and his agent "we are giving up on this really fortunate cir stance that fell into our lap before it even gets started, because we don't have anyone already on the roster to put with him". This isn't David's rookie year, Victor stands to gain or lose millions in his career simply by how this franchise sets his trajectory this season. This is likely what Victor, whatever Uncle Dennis he might have in his life and his agent will think about it if the doesn't resolve pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]

but we don't know any of this to be true. that's just pure speculation or transferring our own versions of what some believe wemby actually thinks. we also have no idea about what kind of people are around wemby or what the spurs FO has told him about future plans. it's just pure conjecture.

[weebo]

Once you get the 1st overall pick, you should stop tanking. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a ing idiot who hasn't looked around the league at teams who did otherwise. However it's telling that you think it's about winning and losing. The Spurs could lose the same number of games but do it because they are building something. Right now they aren't even sure what they have, much less what to do with it.

Ya you stop tanking, if the players on your current squad are any good. Name one player on the Spurs not named Wembayama who would start on any contending team. Btw, this team is not actively tanking, they literally suck. This team doesn't have much talent...the best thing they have going for them is the draft capital, cap space and Wemby. Sorry you guys don't have patience for a rebuild. Tune out and comeback when they start winning cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'd put this with what vy65 said. The Spurs weren't going to get a big name, but it doesn't make any difference what fans would have said if they tried. It would only matter to Victor if they tried. Putting nobody around Victor is telling him and his agent "we are giving up on this really fortunate cir stance that fell into our lap before it even gets started, because we don't have anyone already on the roster to put with him". This isn't David's rookie year, Victor stands to gain or lose millions in his career simply by how this franchise sets his trajectory this season. This is likely what Victor, whatever Uncle Dennis he might have in his life and his agent will think about it if the doesn't resolve pretty quickly.

but we don't know any of this to be true. that's just pure speculation or transferring our own versions of what we thinks wemby actually thinks. we also have no idea about what kind of people are around wemby or what the spurs FO has told him about future plans. it's just pure conjecture.

We know they put nobody around Victor. We know they didn't build a plan to incorporate Victor. We know they haven't enforced incorporating Victor on offense. We know 4 other players think Victor needs help at the rim on defense more than they need to guard the 3 point shooters. We actually know a lot. Whatever the team's FO leaves to the imagination is just more evidence they don't have a clue. There's no 3d chess being played here.

[Tyronn Lue]

Ya you stop tanking, if the players on your current squad are any good. Name one player on the Spurs not named Wembayama who would start on any contending team. Btw, this team is not actively tanking, they literally suck. This team doesn't have much talent...the best thing they have going for them is the draft capital, cap space and Wemby. Sorry you guys don't have patience for a rebuild. Tune out and comeback when they start winning cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

So are you going to tank for 5 years to have a full starting roster?

You just basically signed off on what others are saying, that the Spurs didn't take Victor seriously and didn't plan for him to be anything this year, only you seem to think it's a 3d chess move.

[weebo]

nah. the general consensus during the offseason was the team would still suck but would at least be compe ive because instilling a losing culture in your #1 pick, who by all accounts wants to win, was not good for business. yet here we are

Besides, the Spurs can still lose a lot of games without getting blown out every night en route to the 3rd worst point differential in NBA history while breaking their own record for consecutive losses. People here just want to see them be compe ive, at the very least. sniffers always trying to find a way to justify Pop being braindead rofl

Its the same garbage team we had last year..what you all expect? ...Wemby is still in the baby deer with the wonky legs stage of his career...maybe DV and KJ are NBA material but the rest of these guys would be playing in the Chinese basketball assoc if it weren't for the Spurs needing to field a team

[Leetonidas]

Ya you stop tanking, if the players on your current squad are any good. Name one player on the Spurs not named Wembayama who would start on any contending team. Btw, this team is not actively tanking, they literally suck. This team doesn't have much talent...the best thing they have going for them is the draft capital, cap space and Wemby. Sorry you guys don't have patience for a rebuild. Tune out and comeback when they start winning cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

While the team does suck for sure, it's hard to win when your coach is telling you to leave shooters wide open at the three point line constantly. Spurs would have 5-6 more wins if they ran a competent defensive scheme instead of whatever tf Pop is doing.

[rjv]

We know they put nobody around Victor. We know they didn't build a plan to incorporate Victor. We know they haven't enforced incorporating Victor on offense. We know 4 other players think Victor needs help at the rim on defense more than they need to guard the 3 point shooters. We actually know a lot. Whatever the team's FO leaves to the imagination is just more evidence they don't have a clue. There's no 3d chess being played here.

but these aren't the same things that i bolded and referred to. we do not know what wemby thinks. we do not know if there is an Uncle Dennis in his family. you're just saying it's "likely".

[Joseph Kony]

Its the same garbage team we had last year..what you all expect? ...Wemby is still in the baby deer with the wonky legs stage of his career...maybe DV and KJ are NBA material but the rest of these guys would be playing in the Chinese basketball assoc if it weren't for the Spurs needing to field a team

Yeah, plus the most sought after pick in two decades and yet somehow we are even WORSE than the previous season

[Tyronn Lue]

but these aren't the same things that i bolded and referred to. we do not know what wemby thinks. we do not know if there is an Uncle Dennis in his family. you're just saying it's "likely".

We don't know what anyone thinks. You treat a generational player as being important because of what they could think if you don't, not because you read their minds.

[weebo]

So are you going to tank for 5 years to have a full starting roster?

You just basically signed off on what others are saying, that the Spurs didn't take Victor seriously and didn't plan for him to be anything this year, only you seem to think it's a 3d chess move.

How were the Spurs supposed to know they were going to get Wemby prior to the lottery? Once they got Wemby, things changed. I keep telling y'all this is year 0 of the rebuild. The team is going to be built around Wemby....prior to this season they were drafting on potential...hoping that one of these guys would be the next Kawhi...now things are different...this team is not actively trying to lose...they're evaluating if any of these players are going to fit going forward....Pop said it a few games ago after a loss...things will change through the draft and free agency...not sure how much more he can say without saying that a lot of the guys on the current roster won't be here

[rjv]

We don't know what anyone thinks. You treat a generational player as being important because of what they could think if you don't, not because you read their minds.

even that is speculative because we don't know what kind of conversations the spurs have had with wemby. isn't it just as "likely" that Wemby know what the plan is?

[Bruno]

"Our focus is not immediate other than individual development and team concepts"

This is what Pop said a couple of weeks ago.

This isn't the kind of sentences you would expect a NBA coach say. It is what a G League coach would say and, as crazy as it sounds ,I think Pop is indeed coaching Spurs as a G League team.

[weebo]

"Our focus is not immediate other than individual development and team concepts"

This is what Pop said a couple of weeks ago.

This isn't the kind of sentences you would expect a NBA coach say. It is what a G League coach would say and, as crazy as it sounds ,I think Pop is indeed coaching Spurs as a G League team.

Because we have G league level talent....young, inexperienced, low IQ and overall not very good

[Tyronn Lue]

even that is speculative because we don't know what kind of conversations the spurs have had with wemby. isn't it just as "likely" that Wemby know what the plan is?

You're saying we should just trust the process that produced record losses, because I guess Pop is unlike all the other coaches in history who have coached teams to franchise record losses. There's a plan no one sees, the rose is beneath the snow and as soon as the snow melts we'll see CIA Pop.

I'm not buying it. If I took your angle, there'd be no reason to ever discuss sports based on performance. It could all be part of a bigger plan.

[Tyronn Lue]

Because we have G league level talent....young, inexperienced, low IQ and overall not very good

So the obvious solution is to freeze out Victor in hopes you can grow this raw G league talent into a respectable team. I feel like we agree on about 95% of what we're discussing. We don't agree that it's a "work in progress". It really seems like Pop is just bidding his time or he's tanking intentionally, not sure.

[vy65]

Ya you stop tanking, if the players on your current squad are any good. Name one player on the Spurs not named Wembayama who would start on any contending team. Btw, this team is not actively tanking, they literally suck. This team doesn't have much talent...the best thing they have going for them is the draft capital, cap space and Wemby. Sorry you guys don't have patience for a rebuild. Tune out and comeback when they start winning cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

Are the spurs not allowed to sign free agents? Or make trades? The team has ways of adding personnel beyond tanking year after year for high draft picks.

[koriwhat]

You're saying we should just trust the process that produced record losses, because I guess Pop is unlike all the other coaches in history who have coached teams to franchise record losses. There's a plan no one sees, the rose is beneath the snow and as soon as the snow melts we'll see CIA Pop.

I'm not buying it. If I took your angle, there'd be no reason to ever discuss sports based on performance. It could all be part of a bigger plan.

[HemisfairArena]

Ya you stop tanking, if the players on your current squad are any good. Name one player on the Spurs not named Wembayama who would start on any contending team. Btw, this team is not actively tanking, they literally suck. This team doesn't have much talent...the best thing they have going for them is the draft capital, cap space and Wemby. Sorry you guys don't have patience for a rebuild. Tune out and comeback when they start winning cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride.

So by your own admission, the team is and why? because they suck at drafting but yet you want to tank so this front office can draft again. How many times you gotta get burned by bad draft picks before you say,,,hey, maybe this isnt the way to go?

[rjv]

You're saying we should just trust the process that produced record losses, because I guess Pop is unlike all the other coaches in history who have coached teams to franchise record losses. There's a plan no one sees, the rose is beneath the snow and as soon as the snow melts we'll see CIA Pop.

I'm not buying it. If I took your angle, there'd be no reason to ever discuss sports based on performance. It could all be part of a bigger plan.

i'm not saying that at all. all i ever said was that you're making a lot of inferences that are based on no proof (i.e., that victor, his agent or the uncle dennis of his family are going to be irate about having blown his first year). it's the same kind of inference you just made with the post that i just quoted.

[vy65]

How were the Spurs supposed to know they were going to get Wemby prior to the lottery? Once they got Wemby, things changed. I keep telling y'all this is year 0 of the rebuild. The team is going to be built around Wemby....prior to this season they were drafting on potential...hoping that one of these guys would be the next Kawhi...now things are different...this team is not actively trying to lose...they're evaluating if any of these players are going to fit going forward....Pop said it a few games ago after a loss...things will change through the draft and free agency...not sure how much more he can say without saying that a lot of the guys on the current roster won't be here

Except they didn’t. It’s the same core rotation as last year.

The Spurs had been scouting Wemby for 2, possibly 3 years. They intentionally tanked last year to get the opportunity to take him. So the idea that we’re starting on the ground floor with a prospect who we know nothing about is not true. Beyond the spurs, everyone knew Wemby was going to lack physicality and handles. Going in to the year, the prudent thing would have been to get another big and ball handler. They don’t, and instead re-upper a backup PF and committed malpractice with the point Sochan experiment.

Much of the FO apologists seem to assume that this franchise had no clue what it was getting with wemby. That has to be either laughably false or the biggest indictment of the FO’s competence I’ve heard to date. And to be clear, no one is saying that you have to take a shot at CP3 or Dame or any of that. There are moves that could be made that are not some huge splash but would have actually facilities player development and growth. Again, this franchise intentionally did none of that.

[rjv]

Except they didn’t. It’s the same core rotation as last year.

The Spurs had been scouting Wemby for 2, possibly 3 years. They intentionally tanked last year to get the opportunity to take him. So the idea that we’re starting on the ground floor with a prospect who we know nothing about is not true. Beyond the spurs, everyone knew Wemby was going to lack physicality and handles. Going in to the year, the prudent thing would have been to get another big and ball handler. They don’t, and instead re-upper a backup PF and committed malpractice with the point Sochan experiment.

Much of the FO apologists seem to assume that this franchise had no clue what it was getting with wemby. That has to be either laughably false or the biggest indictment of the FO’s competence I’ve heard to date. And to be clear, no one is saying that you have to take a shot at CP3 or Dame or any of that. There are moves that could be made that are not some huge splash but would have actually facilities player development and growth. Again, this franchise intentionally did none of that.

so who would you have signed this past summer?