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IIRC there was a poster in here that really wanted him before the draft. Can’t remember who exactly tbh. But he had a fan or two in here during pre-draft stuff.
Anyone else been noticing this kid? Is quietly having a pretty good season for the Atlanta Hawks.
I know the Spurs worked him out before the 2021 Draft and there were rumors we were interested in him. Ended up going 20th overall to ATL.
Just turned 22 a couple weeks ago and is averaging 15/8/3/1 on 59% shooting & 41% from 3 in 18 games this season. Great athlete and is already projecting as a good 3&D player. Another kid that PATFO bypassed for Pee-Wee Primo
Looks like ATL might’ve gotten a steal tbh. Kid looks solid this year.
IIRC there was a poster in here that really wanted him before the draft. Can’t remember who exactly tbh. But he had a fan or two in here during pre-draft stuff.
That entire 2021 draft was completely unforgivable by the front office.
Same with most of BWrong's drafts tbh.
yeah. he's come completely out of nowhere after being a virtual nothing his first 2 years
to be frank, its kind of a reminder to be patient with guys on rookie deals. i hate on branham/sochan all the time, but theyre still 20. but its harder to be patient when these kids who cant play yet are thrust into 30 mpg roles
atlanta has had guys like Bey, Hunter, Bogdanovic eat those minutes as he worked on his game
2020 is fine - Vassell over Haliburton is bad in retrospect, but the spurs had Dejounte and White; if you saw Haliburton turning into an offensive superstar at that time you're better than 95% of experts at the time.
2022 looks bad now, but Sochan is still young and can become something. This entire board was celebrating when they got Branham at 20. Wesley was a swing and a pre-draft of a Jaden Ivey-type player. None of those picks was bad at the time.
2021 was just an abortion of a draft in every way. The entire front office should have been fired wholesale after that. The entire board and all of draft twitter was screaming for Sengun who was the most obvious pick since Luka. Wright ended up picking a guy who even if he didn't have his flashing issues was below average in every way. Even now with the clippers josh primo is 21 and has thus far shown absolutely nothing suggesting he's an nba caliber player. They missed on Sengun, Jalen Johnson, Trey murphy, etc. , if they had gotten quentin grimes, herb jones, or ayo dosunmu it would have been better. That is the single worst draft performance I've ever seen, completely defied all logic.
B-but ST posters said he’s not Spurs material
I'm still confused what the Spurs scouts saw in Primo, dude was slow as molasses.
Wasn't Jalen like the Cam Whitmore of his draft year? I don't remember if I liked him or not (I would assume so, given that I was desperate for a PF at the time, but I may have been turned off by character concerns), but this is why the gambles exist. Sometimes they work out, even spectacularly. But sometimes like with Samanic, they don't work out. And sometimes, like Porter Jr, they REALLY don't work out. The 2021 draft was obviously the worst draft the Spurs have had in the last decade, somehow even worse than the 2015 draft. I didn't like the logic behind drafting Primo. But you also need to trust your scouting department and board. Hopefully they've fixed whatever hole there was in the process that let Josh slip through. Nobody wants to see a situation like that again. But Wright can't GM scared either. There's no point in making all these picks if you aren't going to get the guys you want.
I wouldn't say he was out of nowhere or in a similar situation as Spurs young playersyeah. he's come completely out of nowhere after being a virtual nothing his first 2 years
to be frank, its kind of a reminder to be patient with guys on rookie deals. i hate on branham/sochan all the time, but theyre still 20. but its harder to be patient when these kids who cant play yet are thrust into 30 mpg roles
atlanta has had guys like Bey, Hunter, Bogdanovic eat those minutes as he worked on his game
He was in the g-league, he was injured, and he played the same position as an entrenched, legit good starter in John Collins.
Collins gets dumped and he gets healthy = he gets opportunities and produces
Sochan and Branham have definitely had plenty of opportunities, only Wesley could be in some comparison, though Johnson was much better in the gleague. Wesley doesn't even have an entrenched starter ahead of him, just a menagerie of scrubs
Wright hasn't proven that he can judge talent at a high enough level. Johnson did have a rep as a me-first kind of guy with what happened at Duke, but at least he wasn't shaking it to everyone like a car lot inflatable.
Wright was director of scouting in Detroit for Stanley Johnson and the prep for Henry Ellenson.
When you consider that Sengun, Johnson and Murphy were all there and he still went with Primo who was slow as all with a below the rim game ... Wright doesn't know what he's doing. Primo couldn't get a step on summer league scrubs but Wright just loved his Babyface I guess
Add in stuff like the Collins extension and bidding against himself in a big way ...
Oof
No confidence in Wright
Wright got scared because Jalen had “red flags”. Then proceeds to reach for Primo - the safe pick. The irony there should be lost on no one.
This team would be a championship contender if it was ran by me, instead of the guy that got fired from the Pistons
Jalen Johnson was the clear cut guy to pick at 12th and they picked some combo scrub that wasn't even the 4th option at ALABAMA
That being said. Draft Dillingham and Dunn this year, BWrong, if you’re reading this. Free advice for you re
not cody williams over dunn?
I’m expecting the Raptors to take off and move our pick to around the 14 range. I don’t think there’s a player in that range within most mock drafts that fit our needs more than Dunn. He’s the best defender in the draft and will be an All Defensive player in his career. He can’t shoot for (like, at all.) but unlike all the other scrubs on this team that can’t, he’s elite on the other end. Spacing should be fine if Sochan can keep his 3p% where it’s at right now and Victor can improve his to at least 32-34%
Wemby should be getting DPOY shouts right now but that’s never going to happen on the 28th ranked defense. Having two ELITE defenders in the starting lineup might motivate Sochan and Vassell to start giving a on that end and bring out the potential all of you keep talking about on that end.
Point guard and defense are our two biggest needs. Dillingham and Dunn are the best players to give us that IMO.
Jalen had flags for character issues, quitting on his team, changing schools iirc. And I remember posters here evaluating his defense and showing how poor it was very often in his rotations suggesting poor motivation and motor. He was a Samanich-esque gamble. He had high bust potential. If he did well later I would give credit to the coaching staff on the Hawks more than blame all the GMs that passed on him. No guarantee he would have developed on the Spurs with our current coaches and environment.
This. He went to multiple HSs, got a scholarship to Duke, and left after 13 games because he and his group felt he wasn’t getting enough playing time. Spurs were probably still stung by the Kawhi thing, and had a bad feeling about the influence and interference of his family. JJ would be the poster child of the broken AAU system.
He’s not exactly blowing up,more like he finally showing that he’s a rotation level player in his third season.
Good thing we got Primo instead of the guy with character issues
I had him #11 on my BB that draft..
draft tiers
Tier 1:
Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Tier 2:
Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Jalen Green
Scottie Barnes
Jalen Suggs
Moses Moody
Alperen Sengun
James Bouknight
Tier 3:
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Corey Kispert
Isaiah Jackson
Chris Duarte
Jaden Springer
Where is Dejounte
JJ was his target for a while there
Impressive that you had this list. Just a sober reminder that once you get so far into the draft, there are many folks that bust (Bouknight, Williams, Primo, Duarte, Jones, Mitc TBD).
Johnson played 70 games for the hawks last year. It’s not like he was buried in the gleague. And he was largely ineffective
Thanks for the Heads up. Looked closely at them both.
I REALLY like Dunn. I love Smart AND athletic Defensive players. This guy has both.
I still like TOPIC over Dillingham tho. Dillingham's small size is a factor, couple that with poor D...Topic doesn't have good D either, but I think his court awareness is off the charts good. Dillingham is a better shooter I think, but Topic is more of a facilitator and he can get to the bucket just as well, if not better than Dillingham. Just not as athletic doing it. Dillingham looks too similar to what we already have, imho.
My top 2 choices now would be TOPIC & DUNN...which sounds like the name of a band. lol
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