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Interesting, but in no way do i see us taking Topic and Dillingham
"high role player" describes almost everybody in this draft. Sarr is atop most mocks and i dont really see a star there at all
Topic can be more than a role player but it sucks that we wont get to see him in the euroleague for a while. he's gonna be out for about 2 months, which means he'll only see about a month of euroleague play before their regular season ends, and no lock that Red Star will see any extra tourney games. that was the place to evaluate him
Interesting, but in no way do i see us taking Topic and Dillingham
yes i don't disagree there, you need to take the player who has the most potential, topic fills that mode and yes that sucks to don't see him more in euroleague.
Imo Holland has the potential to be more than a role player tough the outside shot is bad then i see a lot of players in that high role player mode ; walter and sarr are my favourites in that category.
Walter feels the easiest to project as a day 1 contributor. His shot is outstanding, and these arent stationary catch and shoot looks. he doesnt really have burst off the dribble, nor is he much of a passer, though he shows enough creativity to score when he's able to get close to the rim.
Where does Topic go in this draft if he doesn't play another Euroleague game, assuming he clears all medical checks? Wonder if this impacts things enough for him to fall into the 10-12 range, or even further down, enough for him to stay in Europe another year.
Topic's injury stalls him in the top 3 or so, but I don't see him dropping beyong 6-7.
i think the top 5 stuff is probably dead tbh, but who knows. its just hard to gauge a player purely off adriatic league. jokic ended up working out just fine, and im sure people will point to that. sengun also didnt play in euroleague. so the track record is there, but im sure his ability to get into and finish in the paint would have been better evaluated against euroleague comp
Probably the guy with the biggest variance in this draft is Castle actually. Topic has huge questions about his defense, athleticism, and whether his rim pressure translates. Dilly and Sheppard are both small with a small frame so there will also be defensive concerns. Collier sucks. I've seen Castle mocked as low as 17 recently. But honestly if he shows that he can be a primary driver of efficient offense, he's probably the guy who fits as a 6'6" big guard with good athleticism and no defensive concerns. If he shows some modi of shooting signal with a decent creation potential, he's probably going top 3 in this crappy draft.
Castle looks like the Anthony Black of this draft… nothing spectacular, just solid. Now this comment may offend some folks because Black sure had some fanboys on here…
i still like Black and like him more than Castle
I liked Castle but if your trying to be a PG in the NBA you got to have at least a decent 3 ball with a good free throw percentage. He is not bad with the 3 he is terrible - Making only 1 three point shot is something I have never seen for a PG to go high or for that matter to go into first round. If he doesn’t start shooting more and showing improvement he will be falling to mid to late
Castle was quick to be abandoned by mock drafters. He looked a toolsy playmaker tonight against Butler. Does a lot of things, has a good feel. I'm not sure he's a lead guard and we'll see if his shooting comes back around but his defense and toolkit are pretty attractive.
Guards who don't hit threes often go in the top 10.
i just dont know what castle is. he's not much off ball. hasn't proven he can be a creater/playmaker when on-ball to handle lead guard duties. cant shoot. he's physically imposing but not really explosive and blowing by guys. he can probably defend 3 positions. think you're looking at Evan Turner. which is fine i guess.
MPJ was rated top 3-5 in his draft, disregarding his health issues. That’s the only reason he dropped.
Picks 4 and 5, just last year.
Man, i know but he was talking about mpj with the nuggets not what he was before the draft
about castle, he just played his eight game, the injuries clearly slowed him down, still has a lot of games to go ... yesterday was probably his best game so far, imo he's a guard, could be a combo, the 3.3 assists per game are not that bad in that way.
Last edited by duncan2150; 01-06-2024 at 07:20 AM.
Right, but you said that type of player wasn’t worth a top 5 pick, which brought the focus back to the draft. I was simply pointing out that NBA super role player MPJ was probably valued that high if not for his injuries. Guys picked that high do become role players, which good teams need. Wiggins was a #1, and he’s now a role player. Same with Aaron Gordon, picked #4 overall.
I’m a big Castle fan, BTW, and hope he rights his ship.
Current list of names Spurs will consider with their natural pick, if top 3: Topic, Risacher and if top 6: Buzelis, Williams, Walter, Salaun
If if conveys, with the Craptors pick: Buzelis, Williams, Walter, Salaun, Sheppard
Others who don't fall in current ranges: Proctor, Klintman, McCullar Jr.
A guy I'm liking with a late 2nd/ufa is Tolu Smith. Kinda like Barlow but physically stronger... Jaylin Williams might be a better comp ... a banger type..
I actually think Walter might have some untapped potential. He's frequently playing alongside 2-3 senior guards so they don't put the ball in his hands very much. He's on the floor for his shooting and defense, but he's flashed some solid dribbling moves and passes. I don't think he'll ever be a PG in the NBA, but I think his role at Baylor is making him seem more limited than he really is.
Reminds me of Cutino Mobley just a bit..
Excellent. Those picks are looking juicier and juicier. We gotta land on those picks though. No more Sochan’s and Wesley’s. We need real difference-makers around Wemby, or at the very least guys who can shoot and defend.
Or Hawks could sell Trae Young to the Spurs for their picks back. That’d be in’ dope too.
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