Draft Dilly and call it a day. Surround Wemby with shooters, someone who can slash to the rim (and actually finish) and can pass the ball. Point guard defensive is extremely overrated. It almost never stops a team from winning a le. Jrue might be the only point guard since Chauncey to win a le and be a good defender tbh.
Draft Dilly and call it a day. Surround Wemby with shooters, someone who can slash to the rim (and actually finish) and can pass the ball. Point guard defensive is extremely overrated. It almost never stops a team from winning a le. Jrue might be the only point guard since Chauncey to win a le and be a good defender tbh.
Dilly continues to ball out.
2003 Parker
2004 Billups. Great defender and the best point guard defender on a championship team since Ron Harper in 1998.
2005 Parker
2006 White Chocolate
2007 Parker
2008 baby Rondo before he was a good defender. Tony Allen was their go to defender
2009/10 old man Fisher
2011 I guess Kidd was still a decent defender that year. Not near his prime but a solid defender
2012/13 Chalmers
2014 Parker
2015 Curry
2016 Irving
2017/18 Curry
2019 Lowry
2020 I forgot who started for the Lakers. Shreader?
2021 Jrue. So we went a decade between Kidd and Jrue
2022 Curry
2023 Murray
You can laugh all you want but in 20 seasons of champions there has really only been 3 good to great PGs when it comes to defense.
Son, we get ing RINSED by lead guards. And you're all here saying defense don't matter.
No I said it was overrated. You not being able to read doesn’t change the fact that in the last 20 years there have only been 3 le teams that had good defenders at the PG position. I listed them for you too. Feel free to go over the list and dispute it if you want. But you can’t.Son, we get ing RINSED by lead guards. And you're all here saying defense don't matter.
Lead guards don't necessarily need to be defended by your PG, tbh. PGs in general are the poorest defenders on a team just by default. You can get by with a poor defender at PG.Son, we get ing RINSED by lead guards. And you're all here saying defense don't matter.
Right now, I'm pretty high on both Dillingham and Sheppard for different reasons. Dillingham looks like the only lead guard in this class with an all-star type ceiling. He could also turn out to be a huge bust, though. While Sheppard just seems like a can't miss role player. One of those Derrick White types that just glues your entire team together. I would be fine with either one, tbh.
I have a lot of questions about Topic's shooting and ability to create at the NBA level.
And Collier just ing sucks. He can't shoot, he can't create, he doesn't defend. I don't know who was lobbying for him eariler, but I would stay the away from him, tbh.
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Dillingham is so obviously the best PG in the draft, but you just know Brian Wrong is going to pick another 6'5 shooting guard like Ja'Kobe Walter or the most obvious bust in the Top 10 Matas Buzelis. You can bank on it.
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Locked on Hawks has a new 2 parted on the draft with a guy who covers it
Topic being perfect for the Spurs is featured in part 1
I wouldn't be concerned about Topic's shooting tbh. He's Serbian and if you know anything about Serbian basketball or played against Serbs than you should know that you could grab any old man off the street and he'll most likely be a 3-point sniper. Shooting is in their DNA, there's no way he doesn't get to the point where he's efficient from 3.
This is all I've seen of this player, but based on how slow and below the rim he looks against these nothing schools ... I expect Brian Wrong to have him ranked in his lotterywhat a weird player
he has a total of SIX blocks in 3+ years lol
Yall are like defense don't matter then lose your mind when Branham dies on screens.
I did pick a lane. PG defense is overrated. Wings and Big Men are more important to team defense. You can hide you’re PG on defense. I showed you the past 20 years of championship teams and only 3 had good defensive PGs.Yall are like defense don't matter then lose your mind when Branham dies on screens.
Your lane on the other hand is not being able to read and posting arguments that’s nobody said. Nobody said defense doesn’t matter. But defense IS more important in some positions than others. Magic played zero defense. Isaiah bad defender. BJ ing Armstrong was a championship starting PG for a 3peat. Are you saying that he was a great defender? Kenny Smith won back to back les as a starter. Great defender? Avery Johnson a great defender? Steph Curry? Kyrie Irving? Tony Parker? Jamal Murray? Is this the argument your making?
Mr. Body thinks BJ and Armstrong and Kenny Smith are great defenders
Stephon Castle can stuff the stat sheet a bit. Rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, (turnovers). Not a scoring threat and isn't hitting from range. I'm not sure he's a point, which is what you want. I'd still have him outside the top 10 and he impacts the game, but I don't think he's a star. A complementary piece.
USC coming up after.
Branham has no redeeming qualityYall are like defense don't matter then lose your mind when Branham dies on screens.
Castle is a poised player for a freshman. Hurley has a lot of trust in him down the stretch in a tight game away.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb..._pct#stats::12
So far Dilly's season is the real deal. I'm a huge Topic fan but my biggest hangup about Topic is I'm still not sure of the strength of the Adriatic league. Luka dominated in ACB and Sengun dominated in Turkish BSL, both of which are really good European leagues. If Adriatic league is not nearly on par with those two leagues, then a lot of Topic's numbers and projections fall apart. That's not to say he'll be a bad player, there's just a lot more uncertainty with him than with the other prior teenage wunderkinds.
Regarding Dilly, the link above shows Kentucky guards in the last 10 years with AST% > 10, BPM > 4, and USG >10. I really wanted to compared college numbers for Dilly and Sheppard with similar sized guys like Maxey, Monk, Fox, TyTy, and Cason Wallace. All the other guys on the list are much bigger and don't apply. What I see is that Dilly is able to create more efficient offense with a higher AST% and lower TO% than Fox. Sheppard has even more absurd numbers but you can tell by his AST% that he isn't quite the driver of offense compared to Dilly. He also has one of the highest eFG% of any of the guards, mostly driven by his excellent 3 point rate and 3 point percentages.
Regarding his defense, he is about the same size with similar wingspan (around 6'3" in shoes, + wingspan) as guys like Fox, Monk, Trae Young, Maxey, etc. All those guys are currently sitting between -1 and 0 defensive EPM which, while not terrific, is certainly acceptable for a point guard. He also has a higher ST% and TRB% than pretty much everyone else on this list, suggesting that he may not be a complete defensive liability moving forward in spite of his frame. (You can also see just how formidable a defensive backcourt of SGA and Cason Wallace is by these numbers). I read somewhere that the guy is half Samoan and should expected to put on even more weight moving forward, which would help him hold up on the defensive end.
Essentially, halfway through the season Dilly compares favorably to his prior Kentucky guard predecessors. His ceiling is something like a slightly worse version of De'aaron fox if only because fox has speed that Dilly does not and managed to develop his 3 point shooting to an elite level. He compares pretty favorably to Maxey in every way statistically but Maxey has also developed way better than how he was projected. Regarding where he should go, fox went 5th in what was considered a relatively strong draft in 2017 with more warts in his profile (namely his shooting). If Dilly continues to show out, there's no reason he shouldn't be a top 5 pick in this weaker draft.
can rebound and is a pretty good defender....Would be a upgrade over branham and jones...thats for sure
I don't know if there is a real Star in this draft but hopefully we can find a good starter and a good bench guys with two of our lottery picks. As far as Dily and Sheppard it was kind of weird as Sheppard had a good game against Florida, but a terrible game against Missouri and Dily had a terrible game against Florida and a good game against Missouri. One thing is that I like about Dily is he reminds me of a little Parker being able to dribble in and around the rim and just easily getting to his spots a true old school PG. The thing that stand out with Sheppard is man oh man he has a sweet shooting stroke you have to stay with him at the 3 point line when he is playing.
When I see Euro PG who can't shoot I get flashbacks to Rubio, who was considered much better at running an offense than Topic and who was also a defensive ace coming into the league.
“Don’t worry about his shooting because other people born in the same country have been good shooters” isn’t very compelling.
Kind of looks like Dillingham is playing his way to being a top 3 pick, maybe even #2 ahead of Risacher. I went from hoping the Spurs could get him with the Toronto pick to being scared he'll be off the board by the time the Spurs own pick comes up.
So far Dilly's season is the real deal. I'm a huge Topic fan but my biggest hangup about Topic is I'm still not sure of the strength of the Adriatic league. Luka dominated in ACB and Sengun dominated in Turkish BSL, both of which are really good European leagues. If Adriatic league is not nearly on par with those two leagues, then a lot of Topic's numbers and projections fall apart. That's not to say he'll be a bad player, there's just a lot more uncertainty with him than with the other prior teenage wunderkinds.
Regarding Dilly, the link above shows Kentucky guards in the last 10 years with AST% > 10, BPM > 4, and USG >10. I really wanted to compared college numbers for Dilly and Sheppard with similar sized guys like Maxey, Monk, Fox, TyTy, and Cason Wallace. All the other guys on the list are much bigger and don't apply. What I see is that Dilly is able to create more efficient offense with a higher AST% and lower TO% than Fox. Sheppard has even more absurd numbers but you can tell by his AST% that he isn't quite the driver of offense compared to Dilly. He also has one of the highest eFG% of any of the guards, mostly driven by his excellent 3 point rate and 3 point percentages.
Regarding his defense, he is about the same size with similar wingspan (around 6'3" in shoes, + wingspan) as guys like Fox, Monk, Trae Young, Maxey, etc. All those guys are currently sitting between -1 and 0 defensive EPM which, while not terrific, is certainly acceptable for a point guard. He also has a higher ST% and TRB% than pretty much everyone else on this list, suggesting that he may not be a complete defensive liability moving forward in spite of his frame. (You can also see just how formidable a defensive backcourt of SGA and Cason Wallace is by these numbers). I read somewhere that the guy is half Samoan and should expected to put on even more weight moving forward, which would help him hold up on the defensive end.
Essentially, halfway through the season Dilly compares favorably to his prior Kentucky guard predecessors. His ceiling is something like a slightly worse version of De'aaron fox if only because fox has speed that Dilly does not and managed to develop his 3 point shooting to an elite level. He compares pretty favorably to Maxey in every way statistically but Maxey has also developed way better than how he was projected. Regarding where he should go, fox went 5th in what was considered a relatively strong draft in 2017 with more warts in his profile (namely his shooting). If Dilly continues to show out, there's no reason he shouldn't be a top 5 pick in this weaker draft.
Watching USC-Wash St. Both these teams are poor.
Collier isn't a top 10 pick in my mind, even in this draft. He's built and quick for his size, but that's almost a bad thing since he doesn't dominate despite those advantages. He either doesn't see passes or, if he does, can't complete the pass. There was a back-pick for Bronny James to be wide open going toward the hoop and Collier couldn't place it at all, forcing James to dribble out. Collier is a threat driving, due to his size, but has what plagued Wesley last year -- he doesn't have the vertical pop to get over anyone so has trouble with help defense. On defense he kind of drifts but will make ill-advised lunges for steals he doesn't get or he fouls.
I just don't see it. Some of those things can be fixed but there are far more interesting guards in this class. Some team will take him too high on reputation and regret it.
Bronny James isn't an NBA player in my eyes. You'd have to specifically point him out to me. Unremarkable in any way.
Risacher with a top 3 pick and Dillingham with the 7th was my dream scenario. I guess now it could be: Dillingham with the top 3 pick and one of the many wing prospects with the 7th (8th, 9th, whatever).
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