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I'd have to think Cedi will draw some interest. Not sure there's much for Dougie, but wouldn't be surprised. Like, a rocky bench like PHX could definitely use Osman.
As they should. A playoff team should want either as their 8-9 depth guy. Winning teams always seem to have a player like that get hot for a clutch game or stint in a game at key moments. I always think of Steve Kerr in 2003 v Dallas.
I'd have to think Cedi will draw some interest. Not sure there's much for Dougie, but wouldn't be surprised. Like, a rocky bench like PHX could definitely use Osman.
def a great window for the spurs. just hope he leaves that diva crap at the door.
And the Lakers with their shooting issues, could use Doug.
, if trae is available, you absolutely get him. I would start my bid with all those ALT picks back, plus 2 unprotected spurs 1st and unprotected 1st swap, then match salary.
I like Trae, but you're kidding right?
We all know Trae is good, but he aint that good certainly not like 5 picks and salary swap good. If he was all that, he wouldn't be on the market. Pass on that little diva.
What would your price be? Murray fetched 2+swap+1 protected. Durant was 4+swap+2 role players + bridges. Lillard got 1+2swaps+holiday and ayton.
Mitc cost 3+2 swaps + Lauri and sexton.
To get a top 5 pg in the league, I think it'll cost 3 to 5 assests. That's the rate for good players.
This is the right path to assessing. I think you have to consider the core and how they would work with Trae. IMO Vassell, Keldon would immediately benefit from Trae. Sochan next.
It feels like a real debate about much we’d be willing to sacrifice pick wise because our rotation pieces rise in value significantly with his presence.
It’s as if our pieces are all the things missing from ATL’s lineup and the one thing that didn’t work(a Murray type player) is the very thing we don’t have.
Getting Trae will cost more than the Spurs got for Murray. Anything less (even just sending the Hawks their picks and swap back) would be seen as getting fleeced a second time by the same team.
No... that's the kind of draft capital you'd give up for Giannis or SGA
I wish I could impress on folks how much timing matters in trades. The Spurs should have a very short list of players they're willing to trade for this season. Basically, if you aren't willing to trade at least a top-four pick for the player, they aren't worth it. Like if the Sixers went crazy and decided to trade Maxey, you make that deal 100/100. I would say the same for Young, though with more reluctance given his salary and what players would have to go the other way just to make the numbers work. We're talking superstars or absolute blue-chip prospects. Otherwise, you get the picks then look to add later. That logic holds even if you would have to pay a good deal more by waiting. The team can afford that way more than they can afford ing up this season's picks.
a top5 PG who can’t defend and doesn’t shoot that well and will take a huge chunk of the payroll, that’s a lot of assets.
Is he a top 5 pg or is he not a top 5 plus all those things you've mentioned?
He just had seven in a row 30+10 games, tying Oscar for the record. He avg 36% from three at 9 attempts. Since the 19/20 season, he has been top three in assist per game for the league.
So, is he a top 5 pg? Or is there another pg that's better than him that the Spurs can realistically get?
The way I see it. He'll likely be the Spurs best three point shooter. Best shot creator. Best passer. And a pg. All things the Spurs actually need right now and in the future. Plus he compliments Wemby.
If Young does become available the Spurs would have the inside track. Hawks would be going full tank mode and their own first round picks the next 3 years would be the most valuable assets they could get. Plus there are very few teams with multiple 1st round picks to trade and the need for a PG.
I wonder if folks have actually watched Trae Young play. He's more of a floor raiser but he doesn't move the needle when it comes to contending.
He's the very epitome of chucking. He's inefficient. He's 11th on his own team in effective FG%. He doesn't play defense, like at all. He doesn't move when he's off the ball. He has some positives but he's definitely not worth the price. I see people compare him to Jamal Murray, and thus Jokic-Murray to Wemby-Trae, but this is far off the mark. Murray is much more efficient, bigger, plays more team basketball on both ends and isn't a defensive weak point that teams can target and exploit.
This is not to say Young wouldn't make the team better in the short term, but he's as far away from a le building piece as it gets, because they'd be throwing their assets on a fool's gold chucker.
If you throw all of the assets at Trae, and it doesn’t work, you’ve closed the championship window on Victor in his early 20s. No one will come here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high pick. The reality is that we don’t need a 30 point scorer, because Victor will be that 30 point scorer, since he’s scoring about a point a minute. The only thing that can stop that is a heliocentric chucker taking the ball out of his hands. We need an opportunistic scorer who can defend at an high level and feed Victor the ball. That’s it.
I think this is one of those situations where it is easy to see how Trae would be a really nice fit with Wemby and our other players and it might might a lot of sense... but the combination of the price and the riskiness of such a gamble is too high to pull the trigger.
But man... after seeing the lobs Trae can put up for guys like Capela and Jalen Johnson... you can just imagine how special it might be with Wemby. With that said, the Spurs really seemed to figure out their lob game today in the second half, and it was great to see.
Nah to Trae for the reasons above. I'm unsure about trading picks, but clearly the team needs a perimeter guy who can get buckets if Vassell isn't going to step up. But giving up lots of picks for a maybe fit isn't the way to go.
Is he shooting 42%? Yes, he is. He is a bad shooter and he doesn't defend. He is going to make 43 millions next year. Do the Spurs want to empty all their 1st round picks, not just the Atlanta back? It is going to take all of them plus probably the Spurs own 25 and 26 1st pick to get him?
For PG, I would take SGA, Doncic, Haliburton, Maxey, Curry, Jamal Murray, Fox ahead of Young.
^ wouldn’t it be something if the Spurs, functionally, end up trading DJM for Trae Young?
None of those guys are available. DJM is, and the rumblings are that Trae is as well. There is a great fit with Young and Wembanyama. Ostensibly, Wright should be a shrewd negotiator - and - if there’s a deal that leaves some draft capital with us, then they absolutely should pursue that. The outright “no” to Trae is peak spursfan.
If you exclude absolutely untouchable players like SGA and Haliburton, Trae amd Garland are the only two point guards that fit the timeline.
Even if you look at older point guards, there aren't many in 25-30 range.
We either get Trae or hope to draft a point guard who'd be a star right away.
Trae is a perfect fit next to Wemby and Spurs can trade for him while keeping all their picks.
It definitely won't happen mid-season but Spurs are the only hope Hawks have.
They failed and won't be a contender. Trae probably won't he happy with parennial first round or not even making the playoffs.
And if they blow it up, Spurs get them back on track easily.
There are way too many Presti fans that would hoard assets forever.
Something needs to happen this summer. Having another embarrassing season would be fatal, that's how you become the Pistons.
And what's this about trading away all the assets? The most they can get is four, maybe five picks.
Three of their own and one or two more. Spurs have 13 total. You make it sound we wouldn't be able to draft anyone until Wemby is 30.
With that being said, I don't really like Trae, but we like what we have approach has ran it's course.
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