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Wemby can't cover for Trae Young defense, I think this UTA all over again or this years MIL if this happens. MIL is 19th on D with that frontcourt.
Trae Young almost outscored our entire roster in the first half and people here are saying "no way would I want Trae Young on this team"
Wemby can't cover for Trae Young defense, I think this UTA all over again or this years MIL if this happens. MIL is 19th on D with that frontcourt.
Exactly. No balance at all... Very good offense but very porous defense...
If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.
Now if you can get Trae Young and there's quite a chance you could, since the Flagg and Boozer drafts are coming up and the Hawks don't have their picks, you go for it. There aren't a lot of young All-Star PGs available. The only other 3 that could become available are Doncic, LaMelo and Garland and who knows if or when that will ever happen. Not only is Young one of the best lob passers in the league, he also got Steph Curry range and can pull up from the logo. That kind of gravity would give Wemby so much more space to operate and the pick & roll would basically be unstoppable. Also there is no better big man to hide Young's defense than Victor. And don't give me the bull about "Young needs the ball in his hands". Who else on this team would you want to handle the ball besides Wemby?
Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline re ed.
Atlanta won't help us make them worse without getting their own picks back. I would try to get Trae Young though he's good.
Graham alone is surprisingly enough salary to get a Murray deal done if they're truly only looking for picks.
If they're giving up Murray for a couple of protected firsts they probably look at it as addition by subtraction. If they want to sniff their 25 and 26 picks they need to be sending Trae back.
Murray doesn’t really move the needle for me tbh. I’d pass.
For Trae yes, for DJ no. They might get one back for DJ, but not more. I'd give them their picks back for Trae Young
No, the Laker pic is worth more. The Chicago pick helps offset that some. I'm not sure the Lakers have put their pick in play yet though because competing offers are so weak. If they do, then the calculus probably changes and we have to offer 2027 + Toronto to beat it.
Last edited by mo7888; 01-16-2024 at 08:28 AM.
Exactly what I was saying last night.
People in here act as if Spurs would have nothing left after trading for Trae. And the reality is that it would effectively be just DJ and a pick or two for Trae.
Pick or two that doesn't even have to be a Spurs pick, but one of many picks received in other trades.
Are people in here saying they wouldn't trade DJ and Demar (or Jakob) for Trae?
His contract isn't even that bad with the new cap, more or less the same as Haliburton's.
Call me old-fashioned, but he's a childhood Spurs fan from Texas, that's always a bonus.
People love local stars.
Can he be a bit more efficent? Sure, but everyone loves to talk how Wemby's efficency is bad because of awful roster (which is obviously true), but it's not like Trae had stacked rosters.
His only teammate that was a solid volume scorer and could create for himself was Bogdanovic. Everyone else was just looking for Trae to create something. Or are we going to pretend that DJ is a great scorer nowdays?
He would cost all those Atlanta draft picks we gave to them and more. People don't want to pay the cost to get him. He's also not the player Atlanta is shopping.Trae Young almost outscored our entire roster in the first half and people here are saying "no way would I want Trae Young on this team"
Have some patience. The Spurs aren't going to unload all their Atlanta picks for one player. They will build through the draft. that is how they built their core dynasty teams in the past.
Those Atlanta picks are gold with Atlanta looking like a lottery team and tearing things down.
It's all about price, and for Trae I imagine that price is way too high as of today, because it doesn't appear Atlanta actually wants to trade him. I've only seen a lot of articles on "this could happen because ATL sucks this year and Trae is surrounded by a disjointed roster." We'd have to entice ATL into a rebuild to trade Trae...and that price would be way too high in terms of risk/reward.
If Trae asks out, or ATL FO decides its time to press the red button, then that's a completely different story. My own two cents on Trae fit here: again if the price is right, you absolutely do that deal. In addition to all the comments here on the thread, let's not forget he's 25 and has spent his entire career with the ATLANTA HAWKS. Still plenty of room to grow under Pop, particularly on defense (which has improved this year) and shot selection. Those would improve playing under Pop, in a system, with Wemby.
With Trae + Wemby on the same team, San Antonio becomes a very enticing destination for all FAs, and we start getting 1+1=3 value I mentioned a while back.
As for Dejounte, I'm on board for 2 FRPs (non 25 or 27) and Graham. I'd be sad to see Cedi or Doug go, but that's business.
The PG spot has gotten taller and larger for a reason. Trae won't be part of a good defense again, the skill level across all positions have become higher can't hide anybody in a playoff series. That is why Dame and Trae are open to going here, there is just no chance they can build a good defensive team around these guys anymore. Trae is the worst because he is both weak and small.
Last edited by rankingtear; 01-16-2024 at 10:18 AM.
I'm definitely not interested in unloading the full treasure chest of picks for Trae. OKC has shown that a revolving door of picks can work but the fact is that it only works because they managed to get Alexander along the way.
The odds of these picks producing a Trae level player is slim. I think it would be smart to weigh a handful of picks against a 2-4 year span where you're basically holding a draft pick tryout on a timeline that has arguably begun two months ago.
You can't give it all up but giving up a juicy pick in a package should be on the table.
OKC only picked in the top 3 once in all of those years, and they got Chet. We’re poised to do it two in a row, plus maybe another top 10 pick. That would make a difference in striking guard/wing gold.
Picks I consider absolutely off limits:24 SA, Toronto, 25 ATL, 26 ATL swap.
Of those 4 picks I have no problem parting with the Toronto pick. The other 3 I agree with but should at least be considered.
building through the draft would mean starting to contend in 2027/28. They should start earlier. Yes high picks should come in, but you need to bring in at least one All-Star level talent via trade/FA
I'd offer all four picks we got from Atlanta for Young. Spurs keep their two top 10 selections for this year.
Houston is another example of how it can go with a team with multiple top picks. They got Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, and Amen Thompson. I don't think Green moves the needle, Smith was drafted too high (IMO) and jury's out on Thompson who, if we think Sochan and Jones are poor shooters, he's not even in their galaxy. While the star they got was Sengun, who dropped way too far.
A problem with so many high picks is that they get expensive. Jabari Smith may be a good player, but you're soon going to be facing the problem Phoenix faced with Ayton -- those extentions for a limited player can be killer. Facing multiples, even worse.
As mentioned, OKC is great because they lucked into Gilgeous-Alexander. They've drafted pretty well otherwise -- obviously with Jaylen Williams, and nailed what was (to me) an obvious gimme with Chet.
It's gonna be fascinating to see what the Thunder do moving forward with so many draft assets. Houston, meanwhile, has some big decisions to make pretty soon.
Granted, he looks like he invented the game of basketball every time he's ever suited up against the Spurs, but trading for Trae Young would be an awful, franchise crippling mistake. He's a complete anti-Spur: bad teammate, coach killer, non-existent defense, heliocentric, plays losing basketball and would cost a ton of draft/player capital and destroy future flexibility. He's exactly the type of stat stuffing empty calorie ball dominant loser that the Spurs should avoid at all costs. There is a reason that the Hawks are 16-23 this season and it's not the teammates around him. That's a solid roster with a pretty good coach.
If you are going to trade for a PG from Atlanta, after much thought, it would have to be Trae. Much more aligned with Wemby timeline and would be the kind of point guard that could not only get Wemby the ball in his spots, but also open up the court with his shooting.
I don’t disagree on approach, but I do on Trae. I’d rather make a play for LaMelo or someone with more size who plays defense.
The thing about lottery picks is that they have higher hit rates, but not many become all stars. Again, people are giving up on Sochan way too fast. I don't think he will ever be a superstar, but he can be the type of player that can guard all 5 positions on switches and if he can shoot threes at 38% clip or better, would really open up the court for Wemby. You need to give a player 3 seasons before you decide if he is worth investing in with a bigger contract. Some guys, like Wemby, you know right away. But some players you need to let cook for a bit and see if the talent level rises and the player can put it all together.
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