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    You never cease to amaze me at your ability to draft a lengthy argument against a point no one is trying to make. The comparison to Duncan's career is not say we should copy it, but rather an illustration of what should otherwise be obvious: the supporting cast around superstars who stick with one club goes through numerous evolutions. We need to give up this notion that we should only be building this roster with having a career-long running mate for Wemby in mind. Kobe and Wade are other great examples of this - superstars who won les in multiple eras of their careers because the rosters around them evolved and adapted.
    What never ceases to amaze me is how you take the first sentence of a post and think that by saying "this isn't directly addressing my specific thesis", that you're actually refuting the post. The entire post talks about how "era 1" isn't really a thing and so the team is more likely to success building toward "era 2". It's a mistake on your part if you believe that has to mean the Spurs are looking for career-long running mates to Wemby. They have the high picks now and should use them hoping to find high impact players -- ideally star-caliber players to pair with Wemby because that's just more sustainable long-term than trading a bunch of assets for a late-career star who's already making DPE-level money. And no, don't go "No one's arguing they should get a late-career star". I don't care if you don't think it's the point you're making. It's the point I'M making, because that's what it would take for the Spurs to truly accelerate their timeline, not third-measures like Murray or Quickley.

    That the team would need to build multiple supporting casts around Wemby is why they shouldn't be short-sighted about their draft picks. Those picks are how you build a sustainable roster, because you won't be able to afford to keep that vet supporting cast around. The good news is that they have plenty of additional picks they can use to chase that vet when the time is right. But messing up that time trying to be impatient because of irrational fears of Wemby forcing his way out on his rookie deal is basically the key to turning Kawhi trauma into Wemby trauma. It's how Paul trauma becomes Davis trauma becomes Zion trauma. Building takes time, and that time is real time, not "Press A to simulate the rest of the season" time. Yes, the Spurs can draft the 19-year-old, sign the 28-year-old and trade for the 34-year-old in the same off-season. But they can't piss away that first part, nor can they ignore than their 20-year-old foundational piece is still 20-years-old and isn't at the point where he's going to win a seven-game series against a good team that can gameplan against him, let alone four of them.

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    Excellent thread OP. I think you're on to something myself. I'm not even looking at it as the Wemby timeline, even though there's no timeline without him, as much as I'm looking at it as the Spurs timeline. I agree that Wemby is ready now, and to that end, a couple of good high-end late 20 year olds would dramatically improve the chance to compete next season. With all the draft assets we have there also an argument for kicking a couple of them a few years down the road for the 2nd timeline or window, if you will. This might be able to happen by trading several near term seconds for a future first in 2029 for example. I'm not saying that's out there but we should explore it with teams at the bottom of the draft or out of the draft completely.

    The bottom line is that we should make moves no later than this summer (and even now if there's something there). Those moves should be directed towards giving Wemby talent that let's us take him wherever he can take us next season, while also having one eye towards a secondary window a few years from now.

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    They have spent the past few seasons developing these kids on the roster.

    I think this season is about figuring out which ones should be a part of the future, nothing more. I suspect changes this summer to set us up for contention, with a number of the kids being moved.

    At the draft, Wemby said his goal is to win a championship ASAP. Its his franchise now, as it should be.

    I think you see moves to facilitate that sooner rather than later, maybe even at the deadline this year. There's no one in this draft worth tanking for, no ready-made partner for Wemby.

    Let's get it on.

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    Thanks for the post OP. I think at the end of the day, Spurs FO are going to be conservative and patient for the right deal. They've proven time and time again that's who they are, whether its belief in their extracting maximum value:pick # in the draft (Manu, Tony, Kawhi, DJM, Derrick White, etc), or opportunistic trades like DJM. I think that they think any sort of "pressure" to make a deal hinders their ability to extract maximum value.

    One thing that needs to be pointed out / reminded of here on the board is that our current roster is still VERY young. The youngest team in the league. Remember when everyone thought Blake Wesley wasn't good enough to play in the NBA? Fast forward a few months and now he's our golden child? The same development can happen for Vassell, Johnson, Tre Jones, Sochan, and more. The Spurs FO have this as counterbalance to any pressure to do a deal.

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    Spurs should not be entertaining anything involving the unprotected 25 or 26 ATL pick/swap, probably not even for Young. I’m not so sure the Young market is as robust as people think it is, and I believe Zach Lowe alluded to that recently. Feels like his value is at a nadir, and tops out at 2 unprotected picks and a protected FRP.

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    Spurs should not be entertaining anything involving the unprotected 25 or 26 ATL pick/swap, probably not even for Young. I’m not so sure the Young market is as robust as people think it is, and I believe Zach Lowe alluded to that recently. Feels like his value is at a nadir, and tops out at 2 unprotected picks and a protected FRP.
    Interesting. That would certainly change the calculation then..

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    Wemby leads the entire league in stocks by a large margin while playing far fewer minutes than any of the guys behind him, and has improved/acclimated dramatically in the short time between just October and January... I think it's fair to say that the timeline can be adjusted.

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    Spurs should not be entertaining anything involving the unprotected 25 or 26 ATL pick/swap, probably not even for Young. I’m not so sure the Young market is as robust as people think it is, and I believe Zach Lowe alluded to that recently. Feels like his value is at a nadir, and tops out at 2 unprotected picks and a protected FRP.
    Great point about the picks. We had a "value of future FRPs" thread previously, but just a quick off the top of my head, this is the ranking of the value of the future FRP's we have. I agree that we should take the most valuable of them off any trade discussion, unless it's for a true star level player who is still relatively young (Halliburton-type player):

    2024 Spurs
    2025 Hawks
    2024 Raptors
    2026 Spurs (w/ ATL Swap)
    2025 Spurs
    2027 Hawks
    2027 Spurs
    2028 Spurs (w/ BOS Swap)
    2025 CHI
    2029 Spurs
    2030 Spurs (w/ DAL Swap)
    2024 CHA

    A lot of these values include some not-super well calculated Time-Value of the Picks (a pick today is worth more than the same pick a year from now), but don't take into account any expectation of the future quality of a draft.

    Because picks attached to Swap right as inherently more valuable, and you want to keep them, I'd say the only assets the Spurs should even consider moving would be:

    25 Spurs
    27 Spurs or 27 Hawks (one, not both)
    25 Bulls
    29 Spurs
    24 Hornets (likely only to be viewed as two SRPs)

    Even if you traded away all these, you'd still have an FRP every year other than 29.

    Also like Mo's idea of trying to consolidate seconds into a FRP, but I don't know how viable that is these days, probably needs to be in coordination with taking on salary.

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    Given how cautious pop has been this year it's hard to see any rapid acceleration of any timeline. Or at least anything that seems rapid to an outsider. No, I think they're using this year to see which role players they like in what situations (as odd as it has been) and just keep on drafting players and getting cheap cast off veterans.

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    Great point about the picks. We had a "value of future FRPs" thread previously, but just a quick off the top of my head, this is the ranking of the value of the future FRP's we have. I agree that we should take the most valuable of them off any trade discussion, unless it's for a true star level player who is still relatively young (Halliburton-type player):

    2024 Spurs
    2025 Hawks
    2024 Raptors
    2026 Spurs (w/ ATL Swap)
    2025 Spurs
    2027 Hawks
    2027 Spurs
    2028 Spurs (w/ BOS Swap)
    2025 CHI
    2029 Spurs
    2030 Spurs (w/ DAL Swap)
    2024 CHA

    A lot of these values include some not-super well calculated Time-Value of the Picks (a pick today is worth more than the same pick a year from now), but don't take into account any expectation of the future quality of a draft.

    Because picks attached to Swap right as inherently more valuable, and you want to keep them, I'd say the only assets the Spurs should even consider moving would be:

    25 Spurs
    27 Spurs or 27 Hawks (one, not both)
    25 Bulls
    29 Spurs
    24 Hornets (likely only to be viewed as two SRPs)

    Even if you traded away all these, you'd still have an FRP every year other than 29.

    Also like Mo's idea of trying to consolidate seconds into a FRP, but I don't know how viable that is these days, probably needs to be in coordination with taking on salary.
    The consolidation of 2nd's to a FFP has two main avenues of possibility. One is as a facilitator in a multi-team deal taking back a small undesired contract and the other is around draft time when early in the 2nd rd a team like Denver etc covets a player thats fallen and is ready to contribute (think college senior/ high floor low ceiling) and they might pay a long term future 1st for a player now.

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    There is a huge difference to Duncan's early years vs. Wemby's current situation.

    The Spurs had injuries to a perennial MVP candidate in The Admiral, an all-star level SF in Elilott, with a supporting cast that was built to win 50 to 60 games year in and year out. Wemby stepped into a team that traded all the good players away after struggling to make the play-in tournament. The Spurs were a few tough vets away from the le in 99 (Elie, Jackson), while they are now two all-stars and a bunch of role players away. It's not even close. The entire war chest would have to be emptied for the Spurs to get any thing resembling a le team, if we can even get that. There are VERY few superstars who stepped into that situation. Magic and Duncan were the only two, and Magic got there because the GMs were shockingly stupid back then (James Worthy trade as well two years down the line).

    Jordan, Hakeem, Lebron, David Robinson, Shaq, they all were drafted on teams that were horrible. They tried everyrthing and all took years to develop. Hakeem had Ralph Sampson and a bunch of versatile wings but still couldn't get over the Stern mountain, Jordan's team stunk and struggled through Boston and Detroit until Pippen and Grant developed (traded for Cartwright and a bunch of shooters), Lebron's team tried going all in with desperate short sighted trades and the entire thing collapsed, Robinson got mings and Strickland, along with Elliott and still didn't get it done because of injuries/chemistry issues, and were left with nothing to build on, with us suffering years of Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson. Shaq got incredibly lucky with another #1 pick (traded for Hardaway), with a team that already had Scott and Anderson. Injuries and ego under mined the entire thing.

    Bird was the only one who actually succeeded with the addition of Parish and McHale, along with Dennis Johnson and Ainge. They were incredibly lucky in that everything worked out and SFW was stupid as a bag of rocks. We can't expect Wemby to have that level of luck.

    The Spurs are actually building for the Era 2 phase for Wemby, if you will. Tre Jones could be the mentor to the new PG like what AJ did for Parker, the draft, hopefully, could bring in players like Ginobili and we can trade for role players. Dynasties were mostly home grown (Bird/McHale/Parish were had when they were young; Magic/Worthy/Scott/Green/Cooper were all drafted; ditto Curry/Thompson/Green; Duncan/Ginobili/Parker; Jordan/Pippen/Grant), most teams build their own core, and then trade for the missing piece at the end. Lebron/Wade/Bosh brought them two les, Garnett/Pierce/Allen got one. Even the Lakers, who signed Shaq, drafted Kobe (well sort of), and they flamed out after three years. Besides, the Lakers are one of the really rare cities that can pull it off, small markets NEVER do. Even Rockets getting Clyde net them one le, not to mention Clyde wanted to play with Hakeem because of their college days, Houston is a much larger market then San Antonio, and they had an all star in Thorpe to trade.

    Anyways, ultra long-winded, but the Spurs are not looking to trade for one or two players to make them contenders, they need a wholesale change, and the easiest way to do so is through the draft, then get the vets after that core is set to contend. The horrys, and wiggins are easy to find, the Kobes and Ginobilis, not so much.

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    Spurs should not be entertaining anything involving the unprotected 25 or 26 ATL pick/swap, probably not even for Young. I’m not so sure the Young market is as robust as people think it is, and I believe Zach Lowe alluded to that recently. Feels like his value is at a nadir, and tops out at 2 unprotected picks and a protected FRP.
    There are four teams with stashes of FRPs: SA, OKC, UTA, and BKN. everyone else would struggle to put together two FRPs of any kind.

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    There are four teams with stashes of FRPs: SA, OKC, UTA, and BKN. everyone else would struggle to put together two FRPs of any kind.
    brooklyn also has 2 outgoing FRPs and swaps

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    There are four teams with stashes of FRPs: SA, OKC, UTA, and BKN. everyone else would struggle to put together two FRPs of any kind.
    I feel the value of the SRPs is less in consolidation than in trading forward. There are contenders who will badly need help but can't otherwise get young talent. I'm not sure if they'd want to sell future firsts, though, but tossing SRPs down the line isn't a bad thing -- the Spurs will be in a situation one day where they'll need new players, too, hard as it is to believe now.

    This year, for example, Brooklyn, Dallas, GSW, and Utah will likely have no picks whatsoever, and Sacramento and Lakers only have SRPs right now in the late 50s. That'll be the case every year.

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    There are four teams with stashes of FRPs: SA, OKC, UTA, and BKN. everyone else would struggle to put together two FRPs of any kind.
    Two things though:

    1) Most teams don't want a bunch of picks close together for their return for similar reasons to why some of us think the Spurs should feel pressure to move some of their picks.

    2) If you can get a team to go all-in and trade all their moveable picks, you lock them into a situation where they struggle to improve, which means you increase the likelihood of a Nets/Celtics scenario. The Spurs can offer a ton of picks while maintaining flexibility. It's going to be hard to keep them down long term. I could see the Hawks wanting to rob someone like Orlando of seven years of their picks rather than taking more picks from SA or OKC.

    Those combine to suggest that Young isn't necessarily a lock to go to one of the "war chest" teams even if they want him and are willing to bid. While there are teams that are too leveraged to go all-in, there are rising teams that, just like the Hawks a couple of years ago, haven't given up their flexibility and may want a superstar to accelerate their timeline too.

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    Might seem weird but "Let's just copy Tim Duncan's career" isn't a more sustainable path for a team to take around an NBA superstar than "Let's just copy Tom Brady's career" is for an NFL team to take around a QB. At best Brock Purdy is the closet thing we've seen in terms of immediate unheralded excellence bolstering a team with a championship core. Every other team that's won a Lombardi has had to do it a different way. The 99 Spurs were closer to the 2022-2023 Heat than to that version of the Spurs. To build that kind of core takes time and shouldn't be hand-waved as "what a good GM is supposed to do". The best recent analog I can think of for Wemby winning a le in "era 1" would be Wade in 2006. That would require the Spurs to do something like trading for Kawhi, Durant or Curry and making the right moves around them in terms of role-players. I don't see a realistic trade out there that can accomplish that. MAYBE if the Warriors completely collapse and they decide to cash out, the Spurs can win the bidding war to get him while having enough to put a team around them. But I assume he's entrenched, just like Butler, Durant and Leonard are.

    For most teams, "era 2" is the best they can hope for to begin their le. That's where Denver and Milwaukee won their les. You need years of chemistry and growth. That's why there are gaps in between these les. Tim had to grow into the guy who could lead "era 2", and Parker and Manu had to age into "era 3" before finally senescing in "era 4". Yes, folks should realize that the Spurs aren't likely going to have running mates with Victor for more than a decade. It's okay to bring in older players, and there will always be a need to draft well and hope to pick up more high impact guys on rookie contracts. But the way that should be used is that there can be moves that aren't made with trying to win a le really in mind. Getting the right guy -- even for a year or two -- could be huge for building the foundation in the locker room for a championship core to form. Think Paul Millsap with the Nuggets or Jason Terry with the Bucks.

    Who could fit that box? Klay Thompson maybe? He's probably not going to stay with the Warriors, and the team needs consistent shooting. Thompson has looked cooked at times and in general didn't look like his best self since long before his injury. Add in his contract expectations and the fact that he plays the same position as the team's best hope for an organic running mate, and he doesn't seem like the best fit. Maybe Wiggins as a trade target if the Warriors make a win-now move and have to use Andrew's contract as ballast? He'd at least fit the positional needs. But even more than Thompson, making that move would feel more like "proximity to greatness" rather than getting a legit vet pace-setter. It's too bad Draymond is crazy, but he checks a lot of boxes when it comes to his intelligence, compe iveness and spirit. But dude's got problems and can't even be trusted to direct his issues toward the opposing team. I know that's three Warriors, but they've won so many of the recent les, that there aren't a ton of proven championship-level culture-setters to pick from. We're feeling the aftershocks of the all those Warriors/Cavs Finals.

    In terms of whether the Spurs should look more to the draft or free agency this summer, I look at it more as a situation of "Yes, and" rather than "either/or". The team should absolutely draft a PG, and that PG needs to be quick and able to penetrate. That's the single box the team absolutely needs and is the reason why Quickley and Murray are mostly just wasting time in my mind. The team doesn't need this PG to run the offense. They need him to bend the defense. A guy who can get into the paint is going to create opportunities for the easy reps that help build the experience people are worried about. That's why Collier really hasn't lose esteem in my book. For all the talk about needing a PG who can shoot, the Spurs could only wish the biggest issue in their offense is that too many people are choosing to go to the rim rather than hoist up threes. Yes, you want a guy who can do both, and whether the coaching believe the guy can learn to shoot is a reasonable requirement. But the Spurs would be much better in terms of shooting if they had legit vertical spacing to get guys in-rhythm attempts and create conflicts in the defense.

    The vet they need is really more of a wing or forward who can create and close. Think Rudy Gay after he recovered from his injury. So what are we looking at there? Maybe Harris or Oubre? Maybe an old hand like DeRozan coming back or making a deal for Wiggins, as I said? It's not going to be easy to find that vet, no matter what criteria one uses.
    Dude, that's a lot of words for so many awful ideas. Collier, Oubre, DeRozan, Draymond.

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    Great point about the picks. We had a "value of future FRPs" thread previously, but just a quick off the top of my head, this is the ranking of the value of the future FRP's we have. I agree that we should take the most valuable of them off any trade discussion, unless it's for a true star level player who is still relatively young (Halliburton-type player):

    2024 Spurs
    2025 Hawks
    2024 Raptors
    2026 Spurs (w/ ATL Swap)
    2025 Spurs
    2027 Hawks
    2027 Spurs
    2028 Spurs (w/ BOS Swap)
    2025 CHI
    2029 Spurs
    2030 Spurs (w/ DAL Swap)
    2024 CHA

    A lot of these values include some not-super well calculated Time-Value of the Picks (a pick today is worth more than the same pick a year from now), but don't take into account any expectation of the future quality of a draft.

    Because picks attached to Swap right as inherently more valuable, and you want to keep them, I'd say the only assets the Spurs should even consider moving would be:

    25 Spurs
    27 Spurs or 27 Hawks (one, not both)
    25 Bulls
    29 Spurs
    24 Hornets (likely only to be viewed as two SRPs)

    Even if you traded away all these, you'd still have an FRP every year other than 29.

    Also like Mo's idea of trying to consolidate seconds into a FRP, but I don't know how viable that is these days, probably needs to be in coordination with taking on salary.
    I like your list but I’d reorganize your power rankings some to account for Hawks picks getting more valuable by the day, as well at the Raptors’ slide. I’d also put the SAS 24 and 25 SRP ahead of the CHA pick since they are quasi FRPs. Heck the CHI 25 SRP may factor in for the same reason.

    So at the top I have:

    2025 Spurs (Flagg draft)
    2025 Hawks (Flagg draft)
    2026 Spurs (w/ ATL Swap) (Dybantsa; Boozer)
    2024 Spurs
    2024 Raptors
    2030 Spurs (w/ DAL Swap) (Luka done)
    2028 Spurs (w/ BOS Swap) (Tatum a Laker)
    2027 Hawks
    2025 CHI
    2027 Spurs
    2029 Spurs
    2024 Spurs SRP
    2024 CHA

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    Dude, that's a lot of words for so many awful ideas. Collier, Oubre, DeRozan, Draymond.
    You trying to barf at Oubre suggests more than you haven't been paying attention. He's been a good third scorer this year.

    Anyways, who would you pick? I'm not saying it to be snide. I'm legit asking what a good off-season would look like. And I mean that from a positive point of view. So like, "get these guys" not "don't get these guys". What should the Spurs hope to accomplish in year two of the Wemby era, and how do they get there from a personnel perspective?

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    You trying to barf at Oubre suggests more than you haven't been paying attention. He's been a good third scorer this year.

    Anyways, who would you pick? I'm not saying it to be snide. I'm legit asking what a good off-season would look like. And I mean that from a positive point of view. So like, "get these guys" not "don't get these guys". What should the Spurs hope to accomplish in year two of the Wemby era, and how do they get there from a personnel perspective?
    to your point, the 2024 offseason looks like a pretty rough one for teams like the spurs. the only really interesting guy out there right now, and yes landscapes can change between now and the summer, is malik monk imo. Tyus Jones is also... fine, but not exactly reaching for the stars there. otherwise you are trying to find diamonds in the rough, or are looking at washed players like Klay. so they probably will have to get creative and make trades if they want meaningful veteran help.

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    You trying to barf at Oubre suggests more than you haven't been paying attention. He's been a good third scorer this year.

    Anyways, who would you pick? I'm not saying it to be snide. I'm legit asking what a good off-season would look like. And I mean that from a positive point of view. So like, "get these guys" not "don't get these guys". What should the Spurs hope to accomplish in year two of the Wemby era, and how do they get there from a personnel perspective?
    This offseason sucks for free agents. I'm all for making "win now" moves, but not by giving up the farm. I wouldn't trade for Dejounte, for example. Those Atlanta 1st round picks are looking more and more priceless by the minute.

    Seeing the crap that would be available, I'm perfectly fine with staying put this season, drafting 2 out of Dillingham, Risacher, Salaun and Sheppard; and then just signing veterans that can improve the team in the short term to smart, short deals.

    I think I've said somewhere that the least I would consider giving up first round assets for is a Darius Garland type player. Anything under that is no-go for me.

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    to your point, the 2024 offseason looks like a pretty rough one for teams like the spurs. the only really interesting guy out there right now, and yes landscapes can change between now and the summer, is malik monk imo. Tyus Jones is also... fine, but not exactly reaching for the stars there. otherwise you are trying to find diamonds in the rough, or are looking at washed players like Klay. so they probably will have to get creative and make trades if they want meaningful veteran help.
    I see Monk as more of an alternative to Vassell, rather than a compliment to a team featuring Devin on the wing. So like if the Spurs did something like trade Vassell and Johnson for Butler, they could then sign Monk to backfill the position. Then the could draft a PG (yes, I understand the draft would happen before, but whatever) and try to snag a quality forward ring-chaser to compete with Sochan. Maybe they get lucky on Royce O'Neal having a soft market or can work out a sign-and-trade for him. So we'd be looking at:

    Jones, Sheppard (I'm assuming part of the Butler deal would involve the Spurs and Heat swapping firsts)
    Monk, Champangie
    Butler, Klintman
    Sochan, O'Neal
    Wembanyama, Collins

    If Butler is the equivalent of the Shaq trade for Wemby's Wade, then there'd probably need to be a follow-up for the Spurs to get even more championship role-players. But as far as an off-season where I'd want Monk, I would prefer it be after a shake-up.

    I don't think getting a Millsap-analog is nearly as daunting. I just don't know who the equivalent kind of player would be. Maybe Jerami Grant and his giant contract?

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    This offseason sucks for free agents. I'm all for making "win now" moves, but not by giving up the farm. I wouldn't trade for Dejounte, for example. Those Atlanta 1st round picks are looking more and more priceless by the minute.

    Seeing the crap that would be available, I'm perfectly fine with staying put this season, drafting 2 out of Dillingham, Risacher, Salaun and Sheppard; and then just signing veterans that can improve the team in the short term to smart, short deals.

    I think I've said somewhere that the least I would consider giving up first round assets for is a Darius Garland type player. Anything under that is no-go for me.
    While I certainly understand the appeal of your conservative approach, how do you balance that out with Wemby's urgency to win now? I am not worried he's going to leave soon like some Spurs fans, but I do think he and the other players probably want the team to change its posture toward trying to win as many games as it can. That's why the idea of "veterans" needs more conversation. It's not like there's a bucket with "veterans" listed on there and you just get a few scoops. The team should be look for specific players with skills that can help the roster grow. The question is, who are they? or at least what do they have to be able to do?

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    I see Monk as more of an alternative to Vassell, rather than a compliment to a team featuring Devin on the wing. So like if the Spurs did something like trade Vassell and Johnson for Butler, they could then sign Monk to backfill the position. Then the could draft a PG (yes, I understand the draft would happen before, but whatever) and try to snag a quality forward ring-chaser to compete with Sochan. Maybe they get lucky on Royce O'Neal having a soft market or can work out a sign-and-trade for him. So we'd be looking at:

    Jones, Sheppard (I'm assuming part of the Butler deal would involve the Spurs and Heat swapping firsts)
    Monk, Champangie
    Butler, Klintman
    Sochan, O'Neal
    Wembanyama, Collins

    If Butler is the equivalent of the Shaq trade for Wemby's Wade, then there'd probably need to be a follow-up for the Spurs to get even more championship role-players. But as far as an off-season where I'd want Monk, I would prefer it be after a shake-up.

    I don't think getting a Millsap-analog is nearly as daunting. I just don't know who the equivalent kind of player would be. Maybe Jerami Grant and his giant contract?
    i would rather just give monk the reigns tbh, though i know thats not the PG archetype you are a fan of for this club. im not sure its perfect either, but again, im just looking at the FA pool

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    On The Topic Of Timeline— An Unrealistic Player Like Wemby Who Nobody Saw Coming Five Years Ago Calls For Unrealistic Measures. People Look To The Past For Models On How To Build A Championship Team But I Think Because Of What We Have In Wemby, An Otherworldly Player, That They Should Really Try To Aim Big And Make Championship Runs As Early As Possible. I Was More On The Middle Of The Spectrum Of How Fast They Should Try To Build A Championship Team Just Yesterday, But Today I’m Thinking It, That They Should Try To Help Wemby Win More Rings Than Bill Russell. That’s Just How Special He is. Start It At The First Opportunity That They Can Find Their Second Star And Let’s Start Winning Big.

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    While I certainly understand the appeal of your conservative approach, how do you balance that out with Wemby's urgency to win now? I am not worried he's going to leave soon like some Spurs fans, but I do think he and the other players probably want the team to change its posture toward trying to win as many games as it can. That's why the idea of "veterans" needs more conversation. It's not like there's a bucket with "veterans" listed on there and you just get a few scoops. The team should be look for specific players with skills that can help the roster grow. The question is, who are they? or at least what do they have to be able to do?
    The clear places of need are PG and forward (3 and 4 are the same now). I think with the 2 lottery rookies and 2 mid level veteran signings the team should show enough improvement to ease Wemby's anxiety.

    I should take a look at the free agent class but just to give an example: a Mike Conley and a Royce O'neal, on contracts that don't hinder the Spurs long term, would be good options.

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