Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[onechance87]

lolwut

they are rebuilding and will not be that good for the few
years...And we own their pick the next few years so they will tank to get
there pick in order to help there rebuild.And obviously help there chances
at geting flagg or boozer...What dont u understand

[TD 21]

No brainer for the Pacers. Siakam is a good fit and they still have assets to further improve going forward.

At the Craptors, who held the league hostage for a year (but hey, at least their buddies in the national media could constantly mention them in podcasts/articles and on TV) and waited way too long to trade their overrated players, not getting a single premium asset for Siakam.

Including Anunoby, Van Vleet and Lowry, Quickley is the closest thing to one they received.

Three 1sts looks/sounds nice on the surface, but in reality they all project land 20ish or worse for a low end star at a premium position.

If this were the Spurs or many others, they'd be getting raked over the coals.

Anyone thinking Wright did anything less than yeoman's work to get a 50% or better chance at a top 7-10 pick for Poeltl (from a team inexplicably uninterested in tanking), is absurd. You do that without thinking, as opposed to settling for a White type package where you end up with the expected value of a replacement player at the 25th pick.

[CGD]

Supposedly the picks TOR are getting are:

2024 IND
2024 Worst of UTA/HOU/LAC/OKC
2026 IND

Interesting in that TOR will now have two FRPs before considering tanking hard enough to retain their own. Their 2024 draft could end up looking a lot like our 2022 draft, which would maybe signal an even harder tank in 2025 (tank for Flagg?), and potentially another hard tank in 2026 (tank for Boozer/AJ?).

Even though its a weak draft, we really want/need that TOR pick to convey this year. I'd honestly be more inclined to ship it to ATL in a deal for Murray (or any other trade) seeing what TOR is doing. That pick loses trade value if TOR starts going hard tank... and the value of it plummets if it doesn't convey this year and teams sense that TOR is going to enter a longer rebuild.

Classic example of the shock value of "3 FRPs!" but when you look closer its: the 18th pick in this ty draft, a super late 2025 FRP, and probably another late teen/early twenties FRP in 2026. Then again he was unrestricted so there is that.

[BatManu20]

It is literally more likely to convey than not and it's very unlikely to change in the opposite direction.It is literally more likely to convey than not and it's very unlikely to change in the opposite direction.

It may very well convey. We'll see. They're currently projected at the #6 pick as we speak and are only 1 game ahead of the Hawks and Nets in the win column. They just lost their leading scorer in Siakim, and Bruce Brown isn't much of a scorer. I don't see them winning many games without Pascal tbh. The Grizzlies just lost Ja for the season and looked terrible before he came back, so that could work in our favor. I'm just not holding my breath on it. We'll see how the next couple months play out.

[RC_Drunkford]

I really want this pick to convert this year for the simple fact that we could draft a PG and a 3-and-D wing. Risacher and one of Dillingham/Topic would be a great draft. I also think there's a good chance the pick converts, but it's gon be close. Gotta hope the Raptors start winning more games once Poeltl comes back.

[mo7888]

lolwut

We have trolls....at least, I hope he's trolling...

[Mr. Body]

[QUOTE=BatManu20;11015071]

It is literally more likely to convey than not and it's very unlikely to change in the opposite direction.[/QUOTE

It may very well convey. We'll see. They're currently projected at the #6 pick as we speak and are only 1 game ahead of the Hawks and Nets in the win column. They just lost their leading scorer in Siakim, and Bruce Brown isn't much of a scorer. I don't see them winning many games without Pascal tbh. The Grizzlies just lost Ja for the season and looked terrible before he came back, so that could work in our favor. I'm just not holding my breath on it. We'll see how the next couple months play out.

I laid out the odds some posts above this one. The Rap are at about 57% chance to give it to us. Memphis is playing above their heads and that will likely change.

If they play better than the Grizz, and I think they will, the Spurs get another 8.6% of getting the pick. As of now, they are only one or two wins off the pace of Brooklyn, GSW, Atlanta, with other teams only three wins better.

I think Toronto will not go into shut down tank. The young players will want to play hard. The two picks from Indiana this draft seem to convey a desire, or even a need, to get this pick exchange done this year and they may expect it. They have cap room and young players and a full tank next year may not be what anyone wants.

[Mugen]

It may very well convey. We'll see. They're currently projected at the #6 pick as we speak and are only 1 game ahead of the Hawks and Nets in the win column. They just lost their leading scorer in Siakim, and Bruce Brown isn't much of a scorer. I don't see them winning many games without Pascal tbh. The Grizzlies just lost Ja for the season and looked terrible before he came back, so that could work in our favor. I'm just not holding my breath on it. We'll see how the next couple months play out.

Bruce Brown is going to be rerouted in another trade IMO. I think they need to do so in order to maximize their cap space this offseason.

Memphis is hammered by injuries obviously and i think the early GG games are fluke-ish but I don't think it's a lock that they're gonna be worse than Toronto. They're well coached and I don't think they'll actively try to lose games.

[CGD]

So they turned OG, Pasqual, and Precious into:

Quickly
Barrett
Brown
3 FRPs in the 20s
DET 24 SRP

Not terrible under the cir stances, but they really should have moved them last year.

[Mr. Body]

So... I think the Spurs will end around two in three chance to get the pick.

[onechance87]

We have trolls....at least, I hope he's trolling...

bro...Do u think they are contenders in the east or something in the next few years..
Unless they get a superstar free agent this summer,They will suck and there goal
will be to try get flagg or boozer

[spurraider21]

I really want this pick to convert this year for the simple fact that we could draft a PG and a 3-and-D wing. Risacher and one of Dillingham/Topic would be a great draft. I also think there's a good chance the pick converts, but it's gon be close. Gotta hope the Raptors start winning more games once Poeltl comes back.

i def want the pick to convey this year, because if it does, it looks very likely to be a top 10 or so pick.

plus theres the really weird scenario where the charlotte pick, toronto pick, chicago pick (and of course, atlanta pick) all convey at the same time in 2025

[Mr. Body]

Bruce Brown is going to be rerouted in another trade IMO. I think they need to do so in order to maximize their cap space this offseason.

Memphis is hammered by injuries obviously and i think the early GG games are fluke-ish but I don't think it's a lock that they're gonna be worse than Toronto. They're well coached and I don't think they'll actively try to lose games.

IMO they made the trade this early to give time to reroute Brown. He should net them something fairly good.

[scott]

bro...Do u think they are contenders in the east or something in the next few years..
Unless they get a superstar free agent this summer,They will suck and there goal
will be to try get flagg or boozer

Here's the thing: the Raptors need not be a "contender" for the pick to convey, which is explained in pretty clear language in the rest of this thread. Step back off that ledge, my friend.

[onechance87]

Here's the thing: the Raptors need not be a "contender" for the pick to convey, which is explained in pretty clear language in the rest of this thread. Step back off that ledge, my friend.

yea...Like there gonna stall there rebuild and let us have there pick...That makes sense...
They were aiming to be contenders in the east when they traded there pick.... went south,Now they
are trading players for picks and to lose...Its obviously there gonna tank and try to keep there pick

[mo7888]

bro...Do u think they are contenders in the east or something in the next few years..
Unless they get a superstar free agent this summer,They will suck and there goal
will be to try get flagg or boozer

Bless your heart...

[onechance87]

Bless your heart...

i see what raptors doing,Not fooling me bro

[mo7888]

i see what raptors doing,Not fooling me bro

You still don't get it.... it doesn't matter what Toronto does...the teams below them are worse and tanking harder and better...

[exstatic]

wright needs to be fired....And we need to sign iq to with them for stealing poeltl from us

Lighten up, Francis.

[baseline bum]

Siakam is gone. Say goodbye to the Raptors pick this year

It's a ty draft anyways when Topic, Buzelis, Collier, Holland, Castle, etc have all looked pretty disappointing so no way Dillingham would last to 7. Won't be heartbroken if it rolls over to a top 6 protected 25 pick instead or if they trade it for Murray or some other decent vet.

[Ignazzz]

Guys. Please remember James Harden Trade.
Broo Nets pick is goin to Rockets. So no help from Nets in our case.

[spurraider21]

It's a ty draft anyways when Topic, Buzelis, Collier, Holland, Castle, etc have all looked pretty disappointing so no way Dillingham would last to 7. Won't be heartbroken if it rolls over to a top 6 protected 25 pick instead or if they trade it for Murray or some other decent vet.

i really dont want it to convey in 2025 tbh ...

[baseline bum]

it will never convey....Cause they will suck or be average at best and have no chance of getting into the
playoffs the next few years with the rise of the east teams...wright needs to be fired asap for his
stupid gamble

It's only top 6 protected in 25 and 26 also. Between Barnes and Quickley they have too much talent to not pick 7 or higher at some point in the next three years.

[baseline bum]

i really dont want it to convey in 2025 tbh ...

If we still had Chip I'd be all-in on taking Castle with a mid to late lottery pick after the way he fixed Kawhi's shot and made Tony's into a weapon too. Without him though can't say I'm too excited about who is going to be available in that range this year.

[spurraider21]

If we still had Chip I'd be all-in on taking Castle with a mid to late lottery pick after the way he fixed Kawhi's shot and made Tony's into a weapon too. Without him though can't say I'm too excited about who is going to be available in that range this year.

Sheppard? lol