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I think that sounds about right. To me, eating Capela makes a fair arguement to downgrade the SA '27 to the CHA pick.
I might go as high as TOR + CHA if eating Capela.
Yeah protections will be a thing. I think the 2026 was rumoured to be top 5 protected.
I think that sounds about right. To me, eating Capela makes a fair arguement to downgrade the SA '27 to the CHA pick.
I might go as high as TOR + CHA if eating Capela.
Ill be interested in how the spurs match Capela and Murray contracts. Technically, Mcdermott, Cedi, and Graham works. But I just can't see Alt accepting such trash, even though they are all expiring. But I suppose we did accept trash contacts in exchange for 2 firsts and a swap. They were all unprotected too. Would Alt take Bulls or Tor/and one of their alt picks back for those junk players?
To Hawks: McDermott, Graham, Oladipo, 2 1sts via Spurs (Raptors or Bulls + Hawks '27?)
To Rockets: Gafford, Shamet
To Spurs: Murray, Mills, Landale
To Wizards: Capela, Mamukelashvili
^Why does WAS do this?
Forgot to add, Rockets send draft capital (2 2nds?) to Wizards.
My guess would be Wizards would need more to eat Capela. I understand this would get them off of Gafford, but his contract is very reasonable (due $13MM next year, $14MM after that) especially compared to Capela. Gafford is a positive asset, whereas I'd view Capela as a negative one for WAS.
I don't actually think the Hawks saving money is going to be a huge incentive. There's nothing to worry about in terms of free agency, and if they're making trades, Capela's expiring contract would give them better flexibility next year than any cap space would. Getting out from under Hunter could make sense if they've concluded his Collins 2.0. But if the Hawks intend to keep Young, you would think they'd be trading Murray as part of a plan to do so rather than just to "get something" for him. I'm not saying that DeJounte is the problem in ATL. If he is, then maybe they think getting rid of him and getting back a rotational or prospect PG could be addition by subtraction. But if they think Young is more of a problem than DJM, they should consider trading Trae trying to build around the rest of the guys and the long-term flexibility the team would have.
Honestly, if it's more of a situation where the Hawks just want to dump Murray and aren't willing to try to wait out a weak market, that should concern Spurs fans. The team traded DJM to ATL in part because he seemed to want to go there and play with Young. Maybe Young is a uniquely toolish player -- and there is evidence to believe that. But it also means folks might not be able to trust signals from Murray that he'd actually want to come back and play with Wemby. He might believe that now but then change his mind later on. A parallel line of reasoning also makes a Young trade concerning. Trae also changed his mind about trading with DeJounte and could do so with Victor even if he currently believes he wouldn't.
Anyway, unless the Hawks are trading Murray to enter a tanking posture, I don't see a way the Spurs acquire Murray without sending back Jones or at least Wesley. I know the team has Bufkin, but they really haven't played the guy all year. They need a legit backup for Young, which is why I think Jones might get the nod.
So maybe something like this: https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykzdpjoq
Change the 25 and 27 picks into swaps. That way the Spurs keep the upside of the picks while reducing the bulk of having those extra players, and ATL gets the guaranteed firsts they need to trade within the confines of the Stepien Rule. You can also toss in the Charlotte pick and seconds if the Hawks want assets,
Murray, Wesley, Graham
Vassell, Matthews
Champangie, Johnson, Cissoko
Sochan, Hunter, Mamukelashvili
Wembanayma, Collins, Bassey
They'd have an open slot to sign Barlow to the main roster, though they might also try to use cap space, their DPE, RE or some other means to bring in another guard.
They’ve done quite well in trades. The big TBD is White, obviously, which will turn on whether Tatum is a Laker by 2028. Not holding out hope on Wesley or those Pels SRPs, lol.
Just one note, Hawks drafted Kobe Bufkin, so I think they probably don't need and aren't thinking about a prospect PG.
Edit: I see you did mention that now, and agree that they'll likely want a rotational PG, though they also have Patty.
The link to your Trade Machine concept doesn't work (it just brings up the trade machine) - can you share the framework of your trade?
Looks like it's Tre, Cedi, Doug, Graham and the lesser of SA/ATL '25 and '27 for Murray, Matthews, Hunter?
Jones, Osman, McDermott, Branham and the picks for Hunter, Murray and Matthews. Devonte remains on the team in this scenario to give the Hawks max savings and to allow the Spurs to have an experienced PG behind Wesley or an additional trade piece if they want to do something else.
I know people like discussing "Trades" for fun but why would we want Atlanta's sloppy seconds if Murray is so good I would think they would keep him?
Realistically, do you think Trae might be on the market where Alt go on a rebuild? Do you think where they get all these picks back, plus 1 more smaller one like Tor or Bulls. Johnson and matching can sway them to move on. Murray goes the Lakers for Reeves + 1.
Something like this https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ynk3z5mm
Alt: 3 of their 1st back. Plus Tor 1s (2024) + Lakers 1st (2029)
All something more complicated like this?
https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ym2ks4mf
With Heat and Griz attaching picks minus 1 spurs picks.
fwiw bufkin has been doing well in the gleague, tho his 3pt shot hasnt been falling
Another Day Passes And Murray Hasn’t Been Traded Here Yet. I Don’t Know How Much Longer I Can Type Like This
Those picks will all be in the 20s. I’d happily give ATL 3 FRPs that don’t include the ATL picks or swaps or the TOR pic or our pick this year.
I'd rather do this and take Capella and use that Tor +27 + Capella expiring contract around the draft to acquire another player.
People don't realize just how much Wemby accelerates the timeline. It took guys like Joker and Kawhi three to four years to reach MVP level production. Since moving to C and inserting Tre at starting PG Wemby is playing at an MVP level on a per minute basis and he's only half way through his rookie season.
Spurs should still look to sell Osman, Mcdermott and Graham for second rounders at the deadline and keep the tank rolling. Once summer arrives they need to be buyers after the draft.
Some people realized before the nba season even began. Dude is talked as generational talent not seen since Lebron. I knew he was going to be elite as a rookie. That’s what generational means. It’s why I wanted Lillard. Now we hopefully draft our own Lillard in Dilly. But we need vets next year and we need them bad. Good vets who actually move the needle and know their roles and will have zero problem with Wemby as the focal point of the offense.
Pop did a lot of unnecessary stuff in the beginning of the year just to reach the obvious conclusion. Wemby is a Center. And he is a star. It reminds me of Hill playing Durant as a 2 guard and he struggled and then lo and behold they switch Durant to the 3 and he is dominant.
That's why adding Trea Young plus top 5 pick would so exciting. Big three is set for next 7-8 years if they draft the right guy.
buy-low window on Ivey is gone
I don't think that window ever really existed.
I would like Spurs to explore trade with Pacer for Aaron Nesmith. Pacer has Benedict and Jarace already and probably wants to get some picks and experienced players like Doug or Cedi after the trade with Raptors. Aaron is young and still has potential to improve
Literally never was being traded.
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