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Lillard can shoot, Young cannot.
Agree, but I do think there may be an opportunity at the draft. They’ll have to pick between him or Cade in the next 2 years, so they may be motivated to get ahead of it (if they’re smart). It would require DET having bad lotto luck again, the spurs picking ahead of them, and their falling in love with a player they fear will be gone by the time they pick.
Lillard can shoot, Young cannot.
There’s something about Young I don’t like. I’m not talking about his lack of defense bc if we draft a real SF and sign some vets we can shore up that end.
But none of his teammates like him. He plays extremely stupid. He thinks he’s a bigger star than he is and doesn’t realize his own shortcomings.
However, if he comes in with the correct mindset, feed Wemby and play off of him then I think he would be nice. But we would need real leadership on this team if we bring in Young.
His inability to play off the ball is literally the reason that the Dejounte experiment failed. When he doesn’t have the ball, he just stands there.
For the Trae Young cant shoot and isn't worth it crowd.
Young
TS%: 579
OBPM 5.4
DBPM: -2.1
WS/48:127
Player A
TS% 570
OBPM: 0.4
DBPM: -0.9
WS/48: 0.62
Player B
TS% 557
OBPM -0.4
DBPM -1.4
WS/48 0.56
Players A and B will make 48M combined next season while Young will make 43M next year.
To be fair, DeJounte shouldn't be "on the ball" either. I am inclined to think there's something going on with Young after both Murray and Collins seem alienated by him. But in my opinion, DeJounte needs to become a mostly off-ball player to really reach his potential. He needs to make the "Iggy pivot" if he wants to be a real contending piece, and I don't think he's willing to do so right now. I certainly don't think he really went to Atlanta expecting to have to play that way. I don't know that he'd come back to the Spurs expecting that either.
I'd take Trae Young in a HEARTBEAT. Heartbeat. Anyone and everything's on the table but Wemby.
Cut, set, print.
Imagine if the Spurs made a trade for Young that included mostly Johnson and Vassell. Those two would reunite with Murray, and the Spurs would have Young, Sochan, Wemby and two top-10 picks.
Young,
Walter
Risacher
Sochan
Wembanyama
Murray
Vassell
Johnson
Johnson
Capela
Would be weird.
The Hawks would laugh at you and hangup the phone at that offer. Go get Young this summer. Tank needs to keep rolling for now.
What a terrible return that was. One of those picks is Indiana's 2024 which would currently be #23, the second pick is OKC's 2024 which is currently #28, and the 2026 pick is Indiana's but top 4 protected. Thank ing god the Spurs pawned Poeltl, who was leaving anyways, off on them for that pick with only top 6 protection for three years before they realized they were going to lose Siakam and could have traded him for real value.
Might as well just imagine the Thunder traded us SGA for Branham
I don't think anyone is saying Trae "can't shoot." The argument most people opposed to acquiring him are using is that he isn't an elite shooter that can be a #1 option, or that the "Steph Curry Lite" comps are just not accurate. Showing that his TS% is similar to that of two guys on a team that's 7-33 doesn't do much to refute that, along with the fact that his defense is worse than theirs, and they're on a notoriously bad defensive team.
Good thing he wouldn't be a #1 option for long with Wemby. He would make a splendid second option and whoever the Spurs draft top five can make a run at being the third star. Not sure why people arent more excited for Young. Our big three is so close to coming together.
Young off ball numbers are awful. If you don't have Trae as you main option running heavy PNR offense then there is no point in trading for him.
A Wemby/Trae PNR offense sounds wonderful. Just need some three point shooters surrounding them.
We're so close to the promise land again of championship contending. People have Stockholm syndrome since the Kawhi disaster. They seemingly want nothing to do with championship contention until Wemby turns 24 and will require a max contact.
Recent championship teams are near bottom in pick and roll frequency. Trae young teams are close to the top. You are just going to waste Wemby potential on a PNR heavy offense.
I'm not talking about the "value" part of the trade. I'm talking about the salary, though obviously Vassell and even Johnson should be considered valuable assets. We don't know what assets it would take -- though STers seem to believe they'd be able to hold onto all their good picks for some reason. But I do think they could get a deal done while still keeping their 24 pick and the Toronto pick.
I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about
I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about
You’re right that the odds are long.
Just thought I’d mention that DJM’s contract should be much easier to trade if he didn’t work out here. Trae’s contract would be harder to move. Maybe somebody has mentioned that, I haven’t studied the whole thread.
I don't understand the Murray hype. Add him to the mix and we have three guys next season averaging almost 25M none of whom are legit stars like Young.I'd say there is maybe a 15% chance we trade for DJM, and even slimmer odds for Trae... but it has been fun to talk about
The odds are pretty good Atlanta will try blow it up over the summer and the first step in that process is recouping the picks from the Murray trade.
As long as Young is with the Hawks their picks will float in the 8-10 range just so Wright can draft the next Sochan, Vessel or Primo. The fascination with keeping those picks just doesn't add up as long as Young stays in Atlanta.
You need to start adjusting your pricing calculator. $25M is nothing extraordinary in today’s NBA. The player making exactly $25M is Brook Lopez, and he’s #57 on the NBA salary list.
You need to stop looking at the figure, and start looking at % of the cap. $25M is 18.5% of this year’s cap, not even an entry level second contract max deal. That would be $33.5M.
So the Spurs would have roughly 55.5% of the cap locked up in three players who are not legit stars. What a horrible waste of Wemby's rookie contract.
Actually, that’s the EXACT time to pay other guys. When Wemby gets paid his $60M starting extension, then costs will have to be trimmed.
That's the exact time to pay legit stars and super stars not high end role players like Murray and Vessel or pure role players like Keldon. People are still thinking small. They have not accepted the new Wemby timeline.
For the record the Spurs should wait until summer to get Young so the tank stays pristine. Sell McDermott Graham and Osman at the deadline for second rounders. Adding Young and a top five pick to next years team along with second year Wemby will very exciting.
DJM is notably better than what the Spurs have now. That’s enough reason to take an interest in him, if he becomes available. It’s no mystery.
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