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    Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.

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    You have to start looking at teams that can even offer a good package for Young. There aren’t that many teams in the East that whether by fit or picks could even trade for him. The Heat are the only team I can think of and the package they can offer is worse than ours. It would be like Herro and picks. Maaaaybe CHI too. But I haven’t heard any chatter on that.

    And there is no team in the West that can offer a package or even want him on their team except us. So we give them back one of our future FRP, their 25 FRP, and Vassell.
    Quite true. I was indicating that as a top offer. Vassel just can’t seem to get separation to get easy shots. He literally shoots the most difficult shots in the league. It is a testament to his shot making ability that he does as well as he does, but you can’t be a dependable 2nd or 3rd option on a contender taking such a high percentage of difficult shots.

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    Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.
    Picks of a team that just traded for an all-star and is trying to win
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    Getting back your own picks after you trade away your franchise player and start a rebuild

    Toronto got 3FRP for Siakam that will be in 18-25 range.
    One top10 pick is more valuable than those 3.

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    the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From what I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 season
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    Picks of a team that just traded for an all-star and is trying to win
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    Getting back your own picks after you trade away your franchise player and start a rebuild

    Toronto got 3FRP for Siakam that will be in 18-25 range.
    One top10 pick is more valuable than those 3.
    The Spurs aren't alone in their situation.

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    the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From how I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 season
    he threatens to leave then he becomes a bargain

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    Utah has picks. Houston has picks. Where is this notion coming from that we are the only team that could do this? Multiple other teams have their own picks to offer.
    OKC has picks and BKN has picks.

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    The Spurs aren't alone in their situation.
    Except they are alone in being the only team with unprotected Atlanta picks—the whole point of the posts.

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    Man people need to start looking at fit instead of just looking at who has picks. Yea OKC has picks. They also have SGA, why would they want the ball out his hands for Young?? Houston has FVV, so them having picks is irrelevant bc they have no need for Young. Utah does not even want Young so why even bring him up? Ainge likes to draft not trade for players.

    I thought of Brooklyn but they have no picks if their own and can only offer up Suns picks. We can beat their offer rather easily, plus Trae I think wouldn’t want to go to a bad team with no hope or way of even getting better

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    I would love for Trae to demand to be traded to the Spurs. Lol. It would be a nice change from the typical coastal team destinations. Not that I necessarily want Trae but if that lowers his price, in this fantasy scenario, then I'm even more curious.

    On a tangent, though this year draft is weak and seems to have less trade value potential, next year will likely be a seller's market, sort of a bubble market for the Flagg hype.

    Now I'm just riffing, but the Atlanta 25 pick and Keldon and filler for Trae Young? I need to think about it. Just spitballing ideas.

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    the crazy thing about Trae is he has a termination clause in his contract. From what I understand he can terminate his contract after the 25/26 season
    He also has a 15% trade kicker. Between that kicker, ETO, and a lack of teams with good picks that would actually want him, I'm not sure he brings what everyone thinks he'll bring.

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    Herb Is On My List Of Players I Covet. Herb Is Not A Volume Shooter And Probably On The Same Level As Sochan In That Regard But This Team Needs More Perimeter Defenders And Herb Is One Of Them.

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    Man people need to start looking at fit instead of just looking at who has picks. Yea OKC has picks. They also have SGA, why would they want the ball out his hands for Young?? Houston has FVV, so them having picks is irrelevant bc they have no need for Young. Utah does not even want Young so why even bring him up? Ainge likes to draft not trade for players.

    I thought of Brooklyn but they have no picks if their own and can only offer up Suns picks. We can beat their offer rather easily, plus Trae I think wouldn’t want to go to a bad team with no hope or way of even getting better
    You guys are bending over SO far backwards. If Trae were amenable, Houston would kick FVV to the curb in a second to get Trae. Those Phoenix picks will probably be gold by the time they convey in 25,27,29. Beale will be 31 before next season, and Durant is 35. Trae would probably love the bright lights of NY.

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    Houston would 100% go for Trae. That's absolutely a player they'd want. Y'all runnin yourselves silly because the Spurs are 0% ever going for Trae.

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    The Fat Boi and his supermax is already costing them valuable players.

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    Very bizarre. Herb Jones is not the problem, and he’s not being paid much

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    I don't believe the Herb Jones rumor at all nor does their fanbase. Jones is on a very good contract through 26/27. Their problem is McCollum and Valunicunas as a FA this summer.

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    Hawks thought Murray was a difference maker and we're seeing how that's working out.

    Hawks will only trade Young to the Spurs because the the Spurs control the Hawks picks. Not sure why that so hard to understand. People need to stop clinging to the fantasy of the Hawks blowing it up and tanking so those picks go top 5. It's not happening. Those picks will float in the 8-12 range with Young still in Atlanta or he gets traded to the Spurs and Atlanta gets their picks back. There's no third realistic scenario were Atlanta trades away Young and tanks without control over their own picks. It's all a fantasy.

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    Hawks thought Murray was a difference maker and we're seeing how that's working out.

    Hawks will only trade Young to the Spurs because the the Spurs control the Hawks picks. Not sure why that so hard to understand. People need to stop clinging to the fantasy of the Hawks blowing it up and tanking so those picks go top 5. It's not happening. Those picks will float in the 8-12 range with Young still in Atlanta or he gets traded to the Spurs and Atlanta gets their picks back. There's no third realistic scenario were Atlanta trades away Young and tanks without control over their own picks. It's all a fantasy.
    Young has an Opt out after 25-26. He would use that if they’re still sucking, making the 27 pick gold. If he’s even hinting at that, they will trade him for what they can get a year or so early, making the 26 swap gold.

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    Young has an Opt out after 25-26. He would use that if they’re still sucking, making the 27 pick gold. If he’s even hinting at that, they will trade him for what they can get a year or so early, making the 26 swap gold.
    Both parties are aware of that opt out making a deal with the Spurs more imperative for the Hawks. Keep dreaming about those top five picks tho.

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    Both parties are aware of that opt out making a deal with the Spurs more imperative for the Hawks. Keep dreaming about those top five picks tho.
    They don’t have to be top 5 when we’re winning 55-60 games. Top 8-10 is fine.

    It’s also not imperative that we get him, only that they trade him.

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    They don’t have to be top 5 when we’re winning 55-60 games. Top 8-10 is fine.

    It’s also not imperative that we get him, only that they trade him.
    But it is imperative for the Hawks that he be traded to the Spurs because the Spurs own the Hawks picks. I've already explained all of this.

    Also the SGA talk needs to stop. He's one of the least obtainable players in the NBA right now. OKC is on the door step of a golden age of championship contention while overflowing with draft capitol. Only way you get SGA is with Wemby.

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    But it is imperative for the Hawks that he be traded to the Spurs because the Spurs own the Hawks picks. I've already explained all of this.

    Also the SGA talk needs to stop. He's one of the least obtainable players in the NBA right now. OKC is on the door step of a golden age of championship contention while overflowing with draft capitol. Only way you get SGA is with Wemby.
    I never mentioned SGA.

    If they must trade him to us, then we have the leverage, not them. They can have their 27 pick,and the Chicagopick, or they can pound sand up their ass as he walks out the door for nothing.

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