2024 NBA Draft Thread

[TD 21]

Maybe it's reading too much into the supposed interest in Murray, but I get the sense that they're either

1) Not as high on Topic as many of us would have thought/hoped (if so, probably because they feel they can't keep investing significant assets into limited/non shooters)

2) Or are more focused on wing/forward (Risacher, Buzelis, Salaun, Williams) with their natural pick.

If that's the case, then I'd imagine Sheppard would be the focus with the potential Craptors 1st.

In either case, it won't be a big or as ever, an inner city stereotype.

[exstatic]

Maybe it's reading too much into the supposed interest in Murray, but I get the sense that they're either

1) Not as high on Topic as many of us would have thought/hoped (if so, probably because they feel they can't keep investing significant assets into limited/non shooters)

2) Or are more focused on wing/forward (Risacher, Buzelis, Salaun, Williams) with their natural pick.

If that's the case, then I'd imagine Sheppard would be the focus with the potential Craptors 1st.

In either case, it won't be a big or as ever, an inner city stereotype.

Murray’s really only going to be here for probably three years, if obtained. He’ll be 30 at that point, and looking for a payday. Any PG you draft this year will be ready to take the reins at that point.

[CorrectCrusader]

At the moment I have a strong impression that the only real fame changer prospect in this draft is Edey. And agree with the thought that he could be possibly unplayable in nba but it's maybe a risk worth to take in a situation like ours where we can use a player that could fits perfectly as a help defender and is developing a more than decent three point shot... Idk... I put it on FO and scouting hands... But the idea of a front line Edey /Wemby looks at least intriguing...

We have our elite guy already, Victor. we should not be wasting draft picks on potential, we should be aiming for high level roleplayers

[rascal]

We have our elite guy already, Victor. we should not be wasting draft picks on potential, we should be aiming for high level roleplayers

The Spurs already have a team full of role plyers. When you are drafting inside the top ten you shoot for the highest potential prospects.

You need two or three all star level players to be a contender.

[Russ]

The Spurs already have a team full of role plyers. When you are drafting inside the top ten you shoot for the highest potential prospects.

You need two or three all star level players to be a contender.

Yeah, swing for the fences. Go for high ceiling. Drafting a bust is not a big problem at this point.

The Spurs are gonna need a straw that stirs to team with Wemby. They just don't know exactly where or how or when they're gonna get it

[DAF86]

Collier Can Get To Any Spot He Wants On The Court With His Outstanding Footwork And Has A Polished Array Of Offensive Moves. These Are Qualities That Are Uncommon To Find In Any Player No Matter How Inefficient Collier Is Right Now. A Lot Of The Other Point Guards Compare To Tre Jones… What Does That Mean? We Have To Ask Ourselves What Tre Jones Is And What Makes Us Believe We Still Need A Starting Point Guard Despite Tre Being The Type Of Point Guard Everybody Has Wanted To Be The Starter This Season. The Answer Is He Has Basic-Level “Packages” In Nearly Every Aspect Of His Game: Basic Passes, Basic Shot Creation (Mostly Consisting Of Floaters And Layups). His Skillset Is Predictable. What You Need To Draft When You’re Drafting That High Is Unpredictability And Something That Is Just Not Basic (In The Way They Play On The Court). People Have This Idea That The Spurs Can Keep Drafting Players Who “Play The Right Way” And Learn To Use That As A Launching Pad To S om. Most Of Those Player Types Are Often Tre Jones Than Kawhi Leonard. Murray Is An Example Of Chaos That Needed To Be Tamed, And Collier Is Similar To That But With Possibly More Talent.

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

[Kurik]

Sometimes going for a high floor player is also taking a gamble on their game transforming further at the next level as well. I’m all for high risk high reward but I think we’ve seen more than a few examples of players being labeled as “safe picks” but have exceeded expectations in recent years.

[Dejounte]

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

[DAF86]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

If Tre could shoot, we wouldn't be looking for a PG. So, yeah, in this case it mostly revolves around shooting. This team can't afford any more non-shooters.

[Dejounte]

If Tre could shoot, we wouldn't be looking for a PG. So, yeah, in this case it mostly revolves around shooting. This team can't afford any more non-shooters.

False. This Team Needs More From A Long Term Starter Point Guard Than A Tre Jones-Who-Could-Shoot. A Team With Wemby As Its Focal Point Needs A Primary Playmaker To Take Pressure Off Him And That Can Only Come From A Point Guard Who Exhibits An Offense That Can Break Down A Defense With An Impressive Set Of Physical Tools And Offensive Moves.

That’s My Final Say On This Because I Know We’re Going Into A Rabbit Hole Type Conversation That Leads Nowhere Because Of Your Unchanging Stance On Shooting Ability Through All These Years.

[baseline bum]

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

Same reason I don't want Castle unless he starts sliding to the 20s (doubtful in such a lousy draft). Then I'd want to make a move to try to snag him as a low risk high potential guy.

[baseline bum]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

With Chip gone you can't really take the same kind of swings on guys with broken jumpshots like Kawhi or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist anymore. I think Kawhi would have become more towards the MKG mold had he been drafted by Charlotte with their horrible player development for example. Or maybe even if drafted by the Spurs if Chip was already in OKC.

[baseline bum]

Collier's been disappointing, but I think people might be dropping him too much. He suffered the curse of being overhyped before playing a college game. Every mock I've seen has him getting selected in the teens now in a weak draft. He's still the most athletic guard in the draft with good size. I don't think he'll ever be a star since he's not a good shooter. However, his floor is high enough that if you can pick him in the teens in this draft, that's a huge win.

Also, Topic played a total of 30 minutes for a brand new team in Euroleague before his injury. I don't think there's much of a conclusion to be drawn from that.

30 very disappointing minutes over two games. Right now for me Topic is an absolutely do not draft even with the Toronto pick level of prospect and that's not changing unless he shows he can be a good player in Euroleague when he comes back in a couple of weeks. Thankfully I think he plays Euroleague until late April so he'll get his chance to show whether or not he deserves to be a lottery pick. I hated all the Doncic talk when Doncic was dominating Euroleague, won the MVP, and led Real Madrid to the Euroleague le at 19. If there was someone like that in this draft I wouldn't mind all the Spurs losing as much.

[DAF86]

False. This Team Needs More From A Long Term Starter Point Guard Than A Tre Jones-Who-Could-Shoot. A Team With Wemby As Its Focal Point Needs A Primary Playmaker To Take Pressure Off Him And That Can Only Come From A Point Guard Who Exhibits An Offense That Can Break Down A Defense With An Impressive Set Of Physical Tools And Offensive Moves.

That’s My Final Say On This Because I Know We’re Going Into A Rabbit Hole Type Conversation That Leads Nowhere Because Of Your Unchanging Stance On Shooting Ability Through All These Years.

You should take note and follow me on this. Do you really expect the Spurs to do well with a rotation that contains 3 non-shooters (Tre, Collier, Sochan), one below average shooter (Wemby) and then a bunch of average shooters at best? You can't win in today's NBA like that. The formula going forward should be surrounding Wemby with as many shooters as possible. Unlike what you think, shooting is like defense, you can't never have too much of it.

[baseline bum]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

Drafting for size instead of who can actually play at PG is how you get Joseph Forte and Jeryl Sasser drafted ahead of Tony Parker. And Collier's defensive rating is terrible.

[scott]

If Spurs Keep Their Picks, I’d Prefer Right Now:

Collier & Salaun

Collier/ Wesley
Vassell/ Backup Wing
Champ/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Salaun
Wemby/ Barlow/ Bassey

Package Collins, Jones, Branham for veteran help

Is Keldon still on the team or did he get included in the Collins/Jones/Branham move?

[Dejounte]

You should take note and follow me on this. Do you really expect the Spurs to do well with a rotation that contains 3 non-shooters (Tre, Collier, Sochan), one below average shooter (Wemby) and then a bunch of average shooters at best? You can't win in today's NBA like that. The formula going forward should be surrounding Wemby with as many shooters as possible. Unlike what you think, shooting is like defense, you can't never have too much of it.

You Throw A Hypothetical For Me And Insert A Parameter In There Like “…And Then A Bunch Of Average Shooters” And Expect Me To Believe This Is A Sincere Conversation? No, I Didn’t Say They Should Be Surrounded By Average Shooters. And You’re Really Underestimating How Many Teams Have Three Non Shooting Specialists In Their Rotation. By All Accounts, The Narrative That Sochan Is A Non Shooter Is One That Needs To Die Since The Sample Size Isn’t Small Anymore. His Shooting Is Comparable To Other NBA Players Who No One Would Say Are Non-Shooters. These Takes Are Outdated And Also Filled With Too Much Hyperbole In Order To Prove A Point. Do You Understand Why I Don’t Like Going Further Than One Or Two Replies With You? You Take It To These Extreme Black/ White Point Of Views For No Reason. Let’s End This One Here.

[Dejounte]

Drafting for size instead of who can actually play at PG is how you get Joseph Forte and Jeryl Sasser drafted ahead of Tony Parker. And Collier's defensive rating is terrible.

Just Drafting For Size Would Be Me Saying Let’s Draft Stephon Castle.

[scott]

My extent of draft research is pretty much what people write on this message board... but based on that, I'd be good with trading both picks this year (plus a further out pick if necessary) for a someone like Bridges or Young. This class seems like it stinks.

[DAF86]

You Throw A Hypothetical For Me And Insert A Parameter In There Like “…And Then A Bunch Of Average Shooters” And Expect Me To Believe This Is A Sincere Conversation? No, I Didn’t Say They Should Be Surrounded By Average Shooters. And You’re Really Underestimating How Many Teams Have Three Non Shooting Specialists In Their Rotation. By All Accounts, The Narrative That Sochan Is A Non Shooter Is One That Needs To Die Since The Sample Size Isn’t Small Anymore. His Shooting Is Comparable To Other NBA Players Who No One Would Say Are Non-Shooters. These Takes Are Outdated And Also Filled With Too Much Hyperbole In Order To Prove A Point. Do You Understand Why I Don’t Like Going Further Than One Or Two Replies With You? You Take It To These Extreme Black/ White Point Of Views For No Reason. Let’s End This One Here.

Sochan is a non-shooter, I don't care about averages on limited wide open threes when opossing teams don't respect your shot and that compromises the entire's team offense. You can get by with one or two of these players (if they don't share much time), but not with 4. You didn't say Wemby should be surrounded by average shooters but you provided a rotation full of average to bad shooters. You even added Sissoko, another non-shooter. The rotation you provided would be the worst team in the league. You can't get by in today's NBA with so many shooting liabilites.

P/S: if you don't like engaging with me, don't answer, simple as that. This "please let me have the last word" begs are sad bro.

[HankChinaski]

I like Saluan and Risacher. Saluan is a bit of a question mark this early but he just looks like a lot of upside, If the toronto pick conveys one of those two with the toronto pick would be nice. With our pick it's a head scratcher. Topic looks good but it doesn't scream out to me yet as yeah.

[Dejounte]

Sochan is a non-shooter, I don't care about averages on limited wide open threes when opossing teams don't respect your shot and that compromises the entire's team offense. You didn't say Wemby should be surrounded by average shooters but you provided a rotation full of average to bad shooters. You even added Sissoko, another non-shooter. The rotation you provided would be the worst team in the league. You can't get by in today's NBA with so many shooting liabilites.

P/S: if you don't like engaging with me, don't answer, simple as that. This "please let me have the last word" begs are sad bro.

Seeing As How My Posts Are Irresistible To You (Very Flattering, By The Way), I’ll Always Entertain You With A Reply Or Two As I Have Said. After That, You’re Right— I Have No Care About Winning An “Internet Battle” With You As You Have Stated In The Past That The “Internet Is All About Having Arguments”. So Go Ahead Because I Fell Into This Trap Again And Have Exhausted Myself For No Reason— Reply Back With Something Internet-Clever So You Can Get Your Internet-Cookie.

[DAF86]

Seeing As How My Posts Are Irresistible To You (Very Flattering, By The Way), I’ll Always Entertain You With A Reply Or Two As I Have Said. After That, You’re Right— I Have No Care About Winning An “Internet Battle” With You As You Have Stated In The Past That The “Internet Is All About Having Arguments”. So Go Ahead Because I Fell Into This Trap Again And Have Exhausted Myself For No Reason— Reply Back With Something Internet-Clever So You Can Get Your Internet-Cookie.

Dude, when do I ever quote you? The other day, that you got your panties all in a bunch and now. I don't recall any other interaction with you in the last 12 months or so.

[HankChinaski]

Dude, when do I ever quote you? The other day, that you got your panties all in a bunch and now. I don't recall any other interaction with you in the last 12 months or so.

But you remembered the other too ehhh

[DAF86]

But you remembered the other too ehhh

Only because he replied with this weird rant about how I like to discuss things in a discussion board.