DJ just hit two buzzer beaters and they're still only 5.5 games out of the 5th spot. They will be worse when they trade DJ for a couple of middling picks, so this team can easily be a worst 5 team with Trae and the worst in the league if he twists an ankle for any period of time.
I'd take the Hawks finishing 8-12 for 3 years straight for sure. That's between a 7-20% chance each year of landing a top 4 pick. Meaning that on average you have a 1 in 3 chance of landing a top 4 pick sometime during those 3 years, and the other years it's still a decent lottery pick.
Im not giving up ATL picks in a deal for Murray. No chance.
Im open to Murray coming back in a trade, but no future Spurs picks or ATL.
Something like salary matching + CHA pick + CHA pick. If that doesn’t get it done, so be it. Thats pick 7-10 this year it looks like + 2 2nds.
Make sense. Though that sounds quite low. If it was me I'll be fine sending the TOR pick too
Also posted in the Murray trade thread, but Trae out indefinitely with a concussion. Wonder what impact, if any, this will have on the Hawks thinking.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...n-indefinitely
Ya sorry. I typed CHA pick twice. Meant TOR + CHA
The odds of the Spurs drafting a player of greater or equal value than Young with a top four pick are probably 50/50 at best. I bets it's closer to 25-30%. The odds of them picking a player with greater or equal value than Young in the 8-10 range are probably 5% each.
Even with some lottery luck and three bites at the apple the percentage play is trading those pick back to ATL in exchange for Young. I prefer playing the percentages plus getting an instant return on investment than playing longer odds with a longer wait time on ROI.
Three Devin Vessel's do not equal one Trae Young for those who might advocated that getting three solid starters is better than one star.
I think we can probably find a conscienceless gunner who shoots 35% from three and who will keep the ball away from Victor with one of those picks.
Young averages close to 10 assist a game and only takes one more shot per game than DJM while scoring 6 more points per game.
It's way lower in both cases. The odds of drafting an borderline All-NBA caliber player are almost always miniscule.
Yeah you gotta go for Young. The odds of the Spurs realizing equal or greater value than Young with those picks are fairly slim.
It's funny how folks can on Branham and Sochan while also saying guys like Young aren't worth unprotected picks. Primo is unusually bad, but there are non-stars taken all over the draft. I get folks who think it's too early to make a huge move, but the flip side to Wright screwing ATL out of their picks for Murray is that it's going to cost a lot of trade for the star(s) required to get over the hump. Too many folks think the Spurs are going to nickel-and-dime or otherwise haggle their way into good trades. But that's how you end up having to sell your warchest at a discount. The Spurs' only real concern right now should be whether they think it's worth it to sacrifice the tanking progress next season. If's not, then there's no Murray trade that makes sense right now. If it is, then the Spurs should target the player(s) they want and come correct on offers for them. There's no point in having so much currency only to bargain shop.
Great point that you would think would need no saying, but clearly it does, so thank you for making it.
If you only consider trades where you clearly take advantage of the other team, then you are severely limiting the potential trades you can take part in. There is no shame in not squeezing every amount of incremental value out of each trade you take part in, especially if said incremental value prevents you from getting the deal done. Would losing out on an extra lotto-protected FRP be worth losing out on a deal for [insert star of your choice]?
This whole convo is better deferred to the summer, though, I do support them discussing now what a potential Trae to SA framework could look like. If Murray is off the board by Feb so be it.
Agree with this 100%. The tank must roll on for now and they should be sellers through this deadline with McDermott Graham and Osman
^ on that, does anyone know what teams are the ones who need to shed salary? That’s the starting point for potential trade partners. Just don’t know who they are these days.
I've read that the Pelicans might be willing to part with Herb Jones for the right price. I'd be willing to give up the Toronto pick for him. Anyone we pick in the 7 - 13 range probably wouldn't be as good as Jones is now and would probably be a bit of project any way. Jones is a finished product who would fit in perfectly for the spurs either as a starter or off the bench. Just a thought.
This is an excellent point that you make and I do agree on principle. My issue is really more with Trae and how his play style translates with regards to maximizing the team and translating to the post-season. From what I've seen with Trae, he seems like he excels in the two man game and he would definitely turn the spurs into lob city with the easy buckets he can get Wemby. But my impression of him is that he's had a lot of struggles playing off-ball and you're basically buying into a heliocentric offense with him on your team. I don't know if you're giving Wemby or the rest of the team an opportunity to grow much with Trae's play style. His shooting percentages fall off a cliff in the playoffs and he can get hunted pretty relentlessly due to his size. None of this matters much in the regular season, I think with the right team around him and Wemby he turns the Spurs into a 55 win regular season juggernaut season after season but for a guy with as many weaknesses as he does it's a high price to pay for the (at least) 3, more likely 5 draft picks. You're basically committing to Trae and Wemby as your core for the next 5 years plus. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I didn't see such a dramatic drop-off in the playoffs.
Again, I do agree with you that 3 Devin Vassells do not equal 1 Trae Young, and from an expected value standpoint Trae is worth more than 2 unprotected Atlanta picks and their swap, I just think that 1) it'll take more than those 3 picks to get it done and 2) I don't know if Trae is that guy to be going all in with.
We've never seen Young with another star player. If I was Wright I'd be willing to see what it looks like. Besides who else is realistically available?
God would I love to get Young and Risacher this summer to put some elite shooting around Victor. Dude's 25 too, would fit Victor's timeline about as well as any star the team would have any shot at.
Yes please
If trea was available, I don't think it happens this deadline. Damn the fit makes sense though.
You really think Young is just Devonte Graham with a green light, don’t you
Probably hyperbole, but I don’t think he’s what all of you think, either, otherwise why is ATL 18-24 without significant injury to this point? I maybe a hater, but I think all of you have 2” beer goggles on. I think it will be interesting to see how they do in this stretch with him out indefinitely in concussion protocols.
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