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    This on the heels of Clifford saying mark williams not close to returning, having had setbacks to his back injury. He’s doing even less work on the court than he was weeks ago, etc

    Charlotte fully embracing the tank

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    Tbh, one more deadline of we like what we have.

    Just get a few second-rounders for McDermott and Osman, it's not like they're useful here.

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    This on the heels of Clifford saying mark williams not close to returning, having had setbacks to his back injury. He’s doing even less work on the court than he was weeks ago, etc

    Charlotte fully embracing the tank
    Atlanta likely to follow.

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    Rozier To Miami For a FRP And Kyle Lowry
    That is a damn good fit for Miami. I'm always amazed at how they are able to pull rabbits out of hat lol.

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    That is a damn good fit for Miami. I'm always amazed at how they are able to pull rabbits out of hat lol.
    Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.

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    Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.
    Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.

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    Is Spoelstra also a GM because that is a damn good haul for a just about washed up Lowry. My guess there is a buyout coming with Lowry signing with the Lakers or some other team for the minimum.
    not really, if the Heat pick doesn't convert in 27 it's unprotected in 28

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    Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.
    Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

    Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.

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    Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

    Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.
    It is currently clean, at $141M, but next year, which I referenced and is pertinent to the reason they traded for Lowry’s ending contract, is $194M,according to spotrac. They also save money the following year on Rozier’s partial guarantee for25-26.

    I fat fingered had and has, which may have caused some confusion.

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    Their cap is way cleaner, not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Perhaps you meant Miami?

    Getting a 1st of any kind for Rozier is a good deal anyway. They'll tank so hard next season.
    How many more freaking years can they tank lol? I mean, damn! I mean I agree, especially because they owe SA a pick if they dont tank so they have incentive. Lost Rozier, will lose Bridges…

    Wonder if they are flirting with losing LaMelo with this game however?

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    It is currently clean, at $141M, but next year, which I referenced and is pertinent to the reason they traded for Lowry’s ending contract, is $194M,according to spotrac. They also save money the following year on Rozier’s partial guarantee for25-26.

    I fat fingered had and has, which may have caused some confusion.
    Eh no, this is wrong, perhaps you're counting Hayward's gigantic cap hold and stuff. They have less than $90 mil on the cap for next season. They'll even have a max slot, not that it makes any difference for a team like Charlotte.

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    How many more freaking years can they tank lol?
    Until they draft someone like Wemby. Oh wait..

    I mean, damn! I mean I agree, especially because they owe SA a pick if they dont tank so they have incentive. Lost Rozier, will lose Bridges…
    Don't think they care too much about that pick if they're able to get to the playoffs, but they're very far away from it. It's not like it's unprotected, they'd probably rather be a playoff team and send us the 18th pick than to be where they are.

    Wonder if they are flirting with losing LaMelo with this game however?
    Possibly, who knows, but they'll probably try to reset and build around him one more time. He doesn't strike me as someone who's super compe ive or ambitious for les, so he might be OK with it, for a few years at least.

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    Charlotte should try to be compe ive next year, and I expect they will be, but are a step or two away from the playoffs. They just have to be much better, and not make the play-in, and they keep the pick. No tanking necessary.

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    Charlotte, in spite of their impending 3d straight lottery trip, had a payroll on $194M next year. They just cut that by $24M by offloading Rozier’s deal, and taking the ending contract of Lowry, with a FRP to boot.
    where are you getting that? that may have been inclusive of cap holds, players they had no interest in bringing back, like 47m to hayward

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    Lowry a great example of the kind of overpriced goods you get in Free Agency. His 3/$85 deal didn't take long to look horrible.

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    where are you getting that? that may have been inclusive of cap holds, players they had no interest in bringing back, like 47m to hayward
    Spotrac, ,and they maybe countingholds.

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    Lowry a great example of the kind of overpriced goods you get in Free Agency. His 3/$85 deal didn't take long to look horrible.
    Yeah, buyers remorse. At least they were smart enough to cut their losses, and get something for the troubles.

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    Charlotte should try to be compe ive next year, and I expect they will be, but are a step or two away from the playoffs. They just have to be much better, and not make the play-in, and they keep the pick. No tanking necessary.
    Doesn't look like it... But they have a bunch of decent players to trade perhaps this influx of available players saturates the market and lowers DJ's value a bit? Washington is also having a fire sale with the only untouchable being Bilal.

    “The Hornets are planning to build around young players LaMelo Ball and rookie Brandon Miller and gather up draft assets and young players in potential deals.”A fire sale has officially begun in Charlotte.
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    Remaining CHA pieces that MIGHT be useful to a playoff team:

    Bridges (if anyone will deal with the drama)
    Hayward
    PJ Washington
    Cody Martin (if healthy)

    WAS trade pieces for a playoff team if they are fire-selling:

    Jones
    Advija
    Wright
    Shamet
    Kuzma
    Kispert

    I assume Bagley can't be traded again?

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    Doesn't look like it... But they have a bunch of decent players to trade perhaps this influx of available players saturates the market and lowers DJ's value a bit? Washington is also having a fire sale with the only untouchable being Bilal.

    “The Hornets are planning to build around young players LaMelo Ball and rookie Brandon Miller and gather up draft assets and young players in potential deals.”A fire sale has officially begun in Charlotte.
    I think if this is legit, the fire sale will eventually include LaMelo. He can’t want to lose this much. If they tank Next year, too, that will be four straight lottery appearances.

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    One, if they can manage to get Mark Williams to play, their floor goes up quite a bit. Probably still need pieces.

    Two, I don't even know if teams want LaMello. He's hurt all the time. When he's not hurt, he'll win a game all by himself here or there, otherwise he's not a teachable player, won't learn a system, and just won't be a beneficial player in the long run. What team wants that?

    Three, I don't even think he cares about winning that much.

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    Remaining CHA pieces that MIGHT be useful to a playoff team:

    Bridges (if anyone will deal with the drama)
    Hayward
    PJ Washington
    Cody Martin (if healthy)

    WAS trade pieces for a playoff team if they are fire-selling:

    Jones
    Advija
    Wright
    Shamet
    Kuzma
    Kispert

    I assume Bagley can't be traded again?
    bridges has a no trade clause as well. hes been quite good this year though

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    bridges has a no trade clause as well. hes been quite good this year though
    I think he signed his year 5 QO, making him untradeable without his consent. It’s considered a one year contract. He is playing quite well, and when you sign the year 5 QO, you are unrestricted afterwards.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have 2 first rounders and a couple of seconds in the 24 draft. We won't be able to use all those picks. How about using the Toronto pick and a few of the seconds, plus whatever we can get for McNuggets and Cedi for some of the Washington or Charlotte talent if they are having a fire sale. PJ Washington, Avdija, Kispert seem like useful players the spurs could acquire without spending a bundle, plus they are still fairly young. Where there is smoke there may be a fire sale. Do it spurs. After last nights beating, we really need to do something.

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    The Spurs will be able to use two top 10 picks. There are like 3-5 players on the roster who wouldn't be an insta-cut if the alternative for bypassing the Raptors pick. I have that as just as important as ATL 25 given its value and immediacy. That said, if the Charlotte pick could get PJ, the Spurs should be on that . The Spurs lack a swing big who can both play with and be an alternative to Collins.

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