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Chet’s lot in life is going to be becoming Dominique to Victor’s MJ, a really nice All Star versus the One.Chet is a new Daddy. Victor Holmgren and his Daddy Chet are doing just fine.
Without any doubt. It works the same way here in France. The main goal of most of these analysts is to justify their presence. And being measured and consistent is not the best way to create a buzz
To be honest, Chet is clearly the kind of palyer who'd fit everywhere. Smart, disciplined, gifted, good shooter, can play inside, outside, rebounder, well rounded defender.... he's a great rookie, nothing less.
But of course, if you'd put him on a bad team where he would be the main focus, it would be a different story. To have to anchor the defense AND be the main offensive threat at the same time for your rookie year is quite unusual i guess.
We kind of expected Victor to be our best defensive player right away, but not by such a margin.
but we also definitely expected him to have more help offensively, even If Vassel (18 ppg) and KJ (16.7) fill out the stat sheet somehow......
Chet’s lot in life is going to be becoming Dominique to Victor’s MJ, a really nice All Star versus the One.Chet is a new Daddy. Victor Holmgren and his Daddy Chet are doing just fine.
pretty decent breakdown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ShgXpSUldw
I view this rookie race between Victor and Chet similar to '93 when it was Shaq and Alonzo. Alonzo was very good as a rookie, but it was clear Shaq was on another level. Victor is Shaq and Chet is Alonzo.
Last edited by daslicer; 01-26-2024 at 02:03 PM.
I had a typo I meant to say Victor is Shaq and Chet is Alonzo.
Though I'm expecting Chet to be quite a bit better than Zo. He's already on a Kevin Garnett level trajectory.
Nah - you're not giving it to Chet to get you a bucket. He's being spoon fed by an MVP candidate and a 2nd year star on offense. He's a great defender but I'm not seeing a KG like offensive ceiling tbh.
at the same time, Victor’s better numbers in January are the results of his teammates finding him for easy dunks.
chet is a better three point shooter than KG already. KG was not an instant star when he came into the league.
Chet is an elite shooter and was at Gonzaga too. Just because he's not as good as Wemby doesn't mean he can't have a of a high ceiling. He's not a role player and I think he will win an MVP at some point, health permitting.
Nah, I don't see Holmgren ever developing his game to the point of becoming a true #1 option, which is what he would need to ever be the MVP.
Why not? He's an elite shooter with good athleticism who is agile as , can put the ball on floor, and is a good clean up man at the rim. Where would you put Holmgren's trade value then? If I'm Presti there's only three guys in the league I'd trade Chet for: Victor, Giannis, or Jokic. Would be really tempted on Embiid too but his injury history would probably scare me off.
Trade value is different to becoming the MVP. Chet might have more trade value than SGA, because it is harder to find a player with Chet's skillset, but Chet would never be the #1 option over SGA on a team.
I think he'll be the #1 option over SGA in 2-3 years.
Nah, I don't see it. I didn't follow Chet on college. Was he a number one option? Has he ever displayed flashes of self-creation? So far all I see from him comes from what other create for him, or broken plays. I never seen him get the ball in the post, or the elbow and create something.
I don't think a player that's not capable of consistantly scoring from any situation can be the first option in modern game.
AD being the best example. Top5 player in the league at his peak, but neither his post nor face up game was good enough for him to be the traditional first option. Always needed an elite playmaker next to him.
Chet seems similar.
Even though Victor's handles are way too loose and erratic right now, he's got all the moves needed and looks like a wing scorer when facing up.
Chet looks like your average big that can make a few dribbles. And he'll obviously never be good as a post scorer due to his build.
Victor needs to put on some more muscle, but he looks like the Admiral next to Chet.
Anyhow, it seems that OKC has their 1A/1B option if they can stay injury free.
You don't think Chet can create for himself with how good he is attacking the rim? He has a tremendous advantage playing on a team that runs a real offense but no way the season he's having is just reflected glory off SGA.
One thing is attacking the rim after somebody else already collapsed the defense and another entirely different is getting the ball at the beggining of a posession to create something from scratch. So far, I've never seen OKC give the ball to Chet to create something. Even rookie Manu was given the ball on the wings to run some pick and rolls, because Pop could see that Manu had that in him.
It's not just SGA and real offense, their spacing is amazing.
Everyone is at least a solid shooter, they're #2 in 3pt% at 39% on 33 attempts per game.
Meanwhile, Spurs are 29th.
I'm not denying that Chet has a high ceiling but it isn't anywhere near KG peak tbh. I'm pretty damn sure he'll never even finish top 5 in MVP.
He's not even the 2nd best player on this team tbh, Jalen Williams has a higher ceiling IMO.
Think I'd put Chet's offensive ceiling above KG's, maybe more like on Dirk's level. I just don't see this see role player talk with him given his skillset, length, and athleticism.
Chet is definitely able to score alone, he does it here and then. Not his fault if his team is good enough that he doesn't need to do that on a constant basis.
We can't say either than Wemby is ultra efficient when he has to attack one on one.
Victor is amazing and he is having a better season than Holmgren on an individual aspect, which should be the point of the ROTY le.
But Holmgen is a great player in the making. Hard to know for sure, but he totally seems on track to be a franchise player or 1a/1b with SGA.
But hey, after all, people were saying that Lebron was a beta, that he should stay in a Pippen role with Wade as MJ or stuff like that till he was able to win as the clear best player of his team
Last edited by kace; 01-26-2024 at 04:43 PM.
Victor has an usage rate above 30, right there with the other franchise players in that category.
Holmgren is at 21, which is very honorable for a rookie, but which corresponds more to a second or third option.
I guess that's why it's easier for some people to envision Victor as a first option than Holmgren.
But it has more to do with the fact that OKC is a way better team and has way better players than us than with the limitations of Holmgren. He has the usage rate that he has to have this season and it will probably increase the next years.
At the 10:51 mark they talk about Chet's self creation as a weakness/question mark.
We just haven't seen him prove he can be a #1 option at any level yet. Not saying he can't do it, but I will have to see it to believe it, tbh. At least flashes here and there were OKC says "here, get the ball and get me a bucket". Predicting a Dirk type scorer is too wild of a prediction, imho.
Chet is going to be awesome. The fact that he is going to be looking up at Wemby for the rest of his career is going to push him to be better than he otherwise would. I think the modern KG comp is actually pretty good - KG was less skinny and shot pretty well on long 2s which stylistically fits with mid 2000s ball while Chet is skinnier and shoots 3s better which stylistically fits with the modern NBA. While KG was technically a first option, his option role was as a #2 on offense and defensive anchor which is probably what Chet's role is going forward. I've got no hate for the guy - hope both he and Wemby stay healthy for their entire careers. If so, that NBA's in good hands moving forward.
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