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Holy crap, a measured take here!
We need a little patience around here to see what develops. After working pretty hard to get all this cap space and draft choices it doesn't seem smart to speculate on getting some inferior talent right away. Let the play come to us.
Holy crap, a measured take here!
this is technically year two of the rebuild i guess
Victor reset it all. It may well have been year 3 of an original rebuild strategy had we not gotten him, but now everything must be built around him and him alone.
They don't have a ton of capspace. Would be like $36 million this summer after cutting Graham with not much out there worth spending it on. Won't be enough to land Siakam and the Knicks sound ready to max Anunoby out. Maybe that money gets you Tobias Harris, Malik Monk, or the woman beating Miles Bridges and change. Wouldn't mind Grayson Allen if they don't have to pay through the nose for him, but they might with him having a career year. The 25 FA class looks epic right now between Giannis, Tatum, Mitc , Ingram, Brunson, and Markkanen but not sure many of them ever hit the market. If any does look likely to leave I imagine the Spurs would instead have to trade for them with the Atlanta picks and beyond. I guess we could hope Doc Rivers burns the Bucks to the ground. 26 will be the new TV & streaming deal so half the league will probably have legit capspace.
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If they have a lottery pick this summer, like the #6 pick for example, they would only have about $30 million in space. And if Toronto lands from 7-30, that's a few more million gone.
Collins really blew through it for a guy who is a third stringer
How convenient that we get to reset the Rebuild clock when we get the #1 pick, and can just ignore the 3 years of lottery picks that preceded. Those were just practice picks.
Do we even have that much capspace once Devins 29M and Zach’s 15M kick in? I think it’s much less than that.
Yeah, The Logic Is Just So Stupid As If This Is An Organization Not Known For Preaching Continuity And Development That We’d Excuse Them When Said Continuity And Development Is Not Yielding Positive Results.
You want them to keep building around Keldon or something?
Of course a player like Wemby resets it. It’s a rare talent. It’s not like they drafted Sarr #1
Cool. So just call it year 3 of building around Keldon if it makes you feel better
Yeah it factors those contracts in. Ugh that Zollins deal kills us.
That’s Not At All The Basis Of Our Argument And To Think So Is Foolish. I’ll Keep It Short: The Team Drafts Players That It Sees As Players Who Would Fit With Anyone In The Future And That Includes Wemby And To Think Otherwise Is Naive. Do People Really Think This Org Is So Shortsighted Like That?
I doubt they drafted Wemby for fit.
the Spurs clearly tried to draft the supporting cast for a franchise player before they drafted Wemby. You can try to tell yourself another story, but even Pop said we got complementary guys, but we don't have "the guy" last year. They thought once they get that franchise player they would have a young core to grow. That young core has been underwhelming to say it nicely.
^ I consider the start of the current rebuild when they traded their last all star, which was DJ. Since then, the only player you could argue they drafted for this new future is Jeremy (Malaki and Wesley were bonuses/collateral to other deals). With Sochan they took best player available at #9 JUST as the talent level in that particular draft dropped, not with some idea of fit or whatever. Keldon, Vassell are holdovers from what they were still built around DJ.
My point is that it’s silly to hold to some hard and fast rule about when the rebuild started. There was no way the spurs knew Wemby would fall to them, and he clearly resets things given his historic talent level. There is a world where in 3 years, outside of VW, not one current player, save maybe Jermey bc he’s on a rookie deal, is on this team.
yet they scouted him for 4-5 years prior to being drafted and tanked heavily when he commited to the draft. Of course they couldn't be sure to get the #1 pick, but they clearly tried and it worked, so you can't say this wasn't the plan all along.
They also aren’t going to solve it by taking on other teams failed $100M lottery picks. If you’re going to spend assets, get Mikel Bridges. He can actually play. Or sign Miles Bridges as a FA.
Yea patience this year. Lets get that top 5 pick this summer and see who the Spurs take. After they plug a hole with this coming draft pick i do expect them to make a move to plug another hole. We lack defense and rebounding. I wouldnt at all be suprised this summer to see the Spurs trade our first round pick to unload Collins contract and to obtain another young player that has potrntial, like an Anfernee Simons since this draft is a weak one
at the same time, you can hardly say that you are rebuilding when you get #12 and #9 draft picks, maybe the later since it is a top10, and have no star to build around.
The rebuild began in 2022, with the trade of Dejounte Murray after a failed attempt with him as the #1. The roster could be considered stripped bare after trading an All Star for the second consecutive summer.
There is a pretty high chance that the Spurs stay put this summer. They'll go with whatever draft picks they'll have, hopefully a top5 and a top10, and see whatever vets are available to fill the gaps. I see them do a big trade if a player really wants out and they don't have to overpay. I hope that they don't send 4 or 5 unprotected 1st picks for Young for example.
me, Collins can't even be traded at this deadline???
Jesus, Brian...
The point isn't to say that Keldon was the centerpiece, but rather than this will be the 5th straight season of us picking in the lottery. We are the youngest team in the league, typically being a young team correlates to have young, promising talent. The Spurs may not have been hard tanking when they drafted Vassell or Primo, but they are still a lottery picks, and you'd hope you'd get more out of your lottery picks than just handwaving them away as part of some pre-tank experiment. It's not like teams say "We finally got the #1 pick, now we can start picking good players!"
What difference does this make? None really, other than when considering your faith in this franchise it is important to remember that the rebuild didn't just begin with Wemby. This will be a 5th straight year of being a lottery team. Whether that is a late lotto team, or a high lotto team, it's still a lotto team. Brian Wright and Gregg Popovich are the only FO in the league that would be given this long a leash, and I think it's lazy to just say that they need another 3 years before we can expect a return to the playoffs. It's like an employee who always has some exogenous excuse as to why their work isn't up to par. How long of a rope do you extend? (And yes, I realize we aren't the decision makers... but we are the fans, and we get to discuss this stuff and make our own opinions).
I look at the lottery years, and outside of Primo don’t see the lottery picks as terrible. Wemby was a no-brainer and no credit is owed for that, but Vassell as an 11th pick is decent, and Sochan as a 9th is OK. Maybe in retrospect there were better players available, but those guys aren’t busts the way Primo was.
Ultimately, to build a winner a team needs to hit home runs on multiple picks, or stockpile enough draft capital to trade for a proven commodity. To do the former you stockpile draft capital to give you more swings at the ball. Either way, Brian Wright has put the team in position. There is always risk and there are no sure things. They might bust on every pick. But then again they might hit a couple home runs.
We get attached to players and want them to do well, but last year this was a roster on which by trading Jakob Poeltl and Josh Richardson they shipped out two of their best four players at the time. Neither of those guys sets the world on fire. This was after trading away the best two players on a team of merely play-in caliber. Part of the consequence of tanking for Wemby is a terribly depleted roster with marginal NBA players. Tre Jones is a quintessential backup, but this team is so bereft of playmakers that it can hardly function without him on the floor.
I don’t see the Zach Collins deal as terrible even though he sucks as bad as he does. It’s just a two-year deal, there’s not much opportunity cost with free agents this offseason, and he’s just a placeholder player. Next year he’ll be a trade commodity as a salary dump with an expiring contract.
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