2024 NBA Draft Thread

[onechance87]

Why? Our odds are what they’ve been all along.

Oh, and the last time Toronto jumped out of the lottery, they went all the way to the 6/seed in the East, bypassing the play in altogether. That pick was #20, traded to us for Thad Young, becoming Malaki. Better that we collect it this year.

They traded their best players...They are sitting players already...They are just a bad team...They need their pick
and will tank for it.

[SpursBills]

People like to make the Jalen Williams comp with Cody williams. Cody's doing better at the same age as Jalen Williams and is taller with similar length. I don't know the answer to this, maybe someone can help answer:

Have there been instances of two siblings playing in the NBA where the brother who was better at the same age ends up worse?

Off the top of my head, Curry, Holiday, Ball, Lopez, Morris, Jones are all siblings currently in the NBA. Usually the one who is better at a younger age ends up as the better player in the league, or at the very least not worse. Just wondering how often the opposite is true.

[Mr. Body]

Austin Reaves and Malaki Branham are both big guards and they're hunted. It has nothing to do with height. Cleveland has small guards and a good defense. Reed Sheppard is supposedly a good defender but he's the same size as Dillingham.

[Mr. Body]

People like to make the Jalen Williams comp with Cody williams. Cody's doing better at the same age as Jalen Williams and is taller with similar length. I don't know the answer to this, maybe someone can help answer:

Have there been instances of two siblings playing in the NBA where the brother who was better at the same age ends up worse?

Off the top of my head, Curry, Holiday, Ball, Lopez, Morris, Jones are all siblings currently in the NBA. Usually the one who is better at a younger age ends up as the better player in the league, or at the very least not worse. Just wondering how often the opposite is true.

Kris Murray comes immediately to mind. Plenty of brothers who never make it into the NBA. Giannis has a worse younger brother.

The idea of drafting a guy at higher spots because he has a brother is the silliest thing I've heard.

[Mr. Body]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying Tony had elite speed and that was disruptive in the 2000s, and it took teams time to catchup. But they’ve long caught up by now.

Teams haven't caught up. Again this is just nonsense. The rules have been changed in massive ways. If we switched immediately to early 2000s NBA defensive rules most of this league would be obsolete overnight. It's absurd to suggest there was a lack of talent back then, lmao.

[exstatic]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying Tony had elite speed and that was disruptive in the 2000s, and it took teams time to catchup. But they’ve long caught up by now.

Yes, all of those 150-148 games clearly show the league catching up.

[SpursBills]

Kris Murray comes immediately to mind. Plenty of brothers who never make it into the NBA. Giannis has a worse younger brother.

The idea of drafting a guy at higher spots because he has a brother is the silliest thing I've heard.

Were Kris murray and thanasis better than Keegan and Giannis at the same age? Not sure about giannis, but I thought Kris was the worse brother in college and is now the worse brother in the NBA. My question is, how often does it occur where the better brother at a younger age ends up worse in the NBA.

The main area where I guess this applies to Cody also is that one of the knocks on him is that he's very skinny with limited strength for his frame. I think it's reasonable to say that if Jalen was able to bulk up and gain strength once he got to the league, that there's at least a chance that Cody can do something similar which negates a major weakness of his.

EDIT:
Did a little digging; I don't know if the little brother theory is correct or not, but it's definitely interesting an something to consider here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=6iU0UGa7lKE

[CGD]

Teams haven't caught up. Again this is just nonsense. The rules have been changed in massive ways. If we switched immediately to early 2000s NBA defensive rules most of this league would be obsolete overnight. It's absurd to suggest there was a lack of talent back then, lmao.

Who’s saying there was a lack of talent in the 2000s? I’m saying players, especially, outside the obvious stars are significantly better today. Spurs were relying on Spurs legends Avery Johnson and Speedy “freakin” Claxton to win the 1999 and 2003 NBA finals! Those guys don’t make a D-League roster today. Common on, man.

[CGD]

^ think about it this way: adjusted for eras, 2024 Tre Jones is basically 1999 Avery Johnson. Tre is way better than AJ skill wise, and it’s not particularly close.

[BackHome]

Dily kinda reminds me of speedy Claxton

[Dejounte]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

[CGD]

Dily kinda reminds me of speedy Claxton

Interesting, I’ll have to watch more of him now.

[CGD]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

I also can’t shake Matas. Cant tell if it’s the (poor) choice to go to Ingite or him that account to for the struggles, but the size and projected skill is intriguing. Wasnt he also supposed to be decent on D?

[SOMA Spur]

Cody williams no question.

I alluded to this in another post, but as much as I like Sochan and think he has Scottie Barnes-lite upside, he's ultimately a little small to be a true 4. You don't want to give up positional size at both the 3 and 4 positions, so ideally you get someone who's 6'8" or over to play with him. Cody williams is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and has the frame to fill out just like his brother. He's super raw but from the clips I've seen of him, he actually has the length, potential for strength, and the defensive savvy to serve as a POA defender allowing Sochan to better utilize his glue guy skills. His 3 ball needs work and his shooting signal is mediocre, but I'm willing to bank on his youth and work ethic. I saw somewhere that it's way easier to marginally improve a bunch of ok-ish skills than it is to completely overhaul something that's completely broken and I strongly agree with that. Cody williams is actually ok to decent (not good to great) at a ton of stuff including his handle, defense, shooting, and passing and I'd be willing to bet on his development on the margins. Additionally, trey jones has shown himself to be an actual serviceable starting point guard (did not expect his defensive EPM to be 0 at this point in the season) and so wing is probably a more pressing lead than lead guard unless you have the rare chance at getting a true big initiator which I'm not completely convinced Topic is.

I second everything here. In this hypothetical, Cody is the easy pick. He's further along with his development than his brother was at 19. We have a glaring hole at wing. We need to infuse this team with more talent across the board, OKC level talent, J-Dub level talent. Don't over think it, just draft his brother and develop him. In a couple years he'll be our stud at the wing. The hypothetical I'm not too sure about is if Risacher/Cody/Sarr are off the board. What then. I love Dilly, but I think a wing is what we need, so I'm leaning Salaun. I go back forth on those 2 at pick 4.

[CGD]

I second everything here. In this hypothetical, Cody is the easy pick. He's further along with his development than his brother was at 19. We have a glaring hole at wing. We need to infuse this team with more talent across the board, OKC level talent, J-Dub level talent. Don't over think it, just draft his brother and develop him. In a couple years he'll be our stud at the wing. The hypothetical I'm not too sure about is if Risacher/Cody/Sarr are off the board. What then. I love Dilly, but I think a wing is what we need, so I'm leaning Salaun. I go back forth on those 2 at pick 4.

The Sarr/Risaxher/Cody scenario is interesting too. I assume they go Topic there and defer the wing question to 2025. Hard to know now with the injury.

[Mr. Body]

Who’s saying there was a lack of talent in the 2000s? I’m saying players, especially, outside the obvious stars are significantly better today. Spurs were relying on Spurs legends Avery Johnson and Speedy “freakin” Claxton to win the 1999 and 2003 NBA finals! Those guys don’t make a D-League roster today. Common on, man.

This is just stupid. Totally disagree. Moving on.

[Mr. Body]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

What are Buzelis's dimensions?

[TD 21]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

[Dejounte]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

You Forgot The Third: No Clear Cut Talent At PG In This Draft. It Does Matter That Jones & Wes Have Looked Better As Of Late Because If Their Scouting Report Shows That The PG’s In This Draft Aren’t That Much Of An Improvement, It Would Be Best To Wait Another Year For One That Will Be… And Go For A Bigger Talent Upgrade At Another Position Instead.

[Mr. Body]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

There are better wings in the draft. None of the peegs will be more than a backup at first and possibly always. And the impact of upgrading the SF will be more significant. I like Julian but he's worse as a starter than Jones is as a starter.

[TD 21]

I'm not opposed to going wing over lead guard, I just hope it's done for the right reasons and not because of some false sense of security.

[r0drig0lac]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

I hope they are after forwards and wings (Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, Williams or Salaun), the chance of getting a high level guard on the market or FA is greater than getting a forward (and it would probably cost less anyway)

[CGD]

This is just stupid. Totally disagree. Moving on.

Wholeheartedly agree. Moving on

[onechance87]

There are better wings in the draft. None of the peegs will be more than a backup at first and possibly always. And the impact of upgrading the SF will be more significant. I like Julian but he's worse as a starter than Jones is as a starter.

i agree...But i think we need another big who rebounds and defends the paint...When wemby sits or gets into foul trouble our
team goes to pretty fast...Not sure other then sarr who can do that.Hoping we can another big in fa,Then draft a sf

[Mr. Body]

i agree...But i think we need another big who rebounds and defends the paint...When wemby sits or gets into foul trouble our
team goes to pretty fast...Not sure other then sarr who can do that.Hoping we can another big in fa,Then draft a sf

Oh definitely need productive size.