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    Not sure how people can say the Kyrie trade was a success. It was an all in move to create a clear contender. One year later they're sitting at the 7th place in a VERY WEAK West, with the 14th best DIFF in the NBA, at +0.34 (9th in the West, which could be their real place). And we all know point DIFF is a good indicator of your real value at the end of the season, meaning they could not even be a top 10 team in the NBA... They're not winning anything with the Luka-Kyrie combo as main guys. It's a big fail, and Dallas has very little leeway to upgrade.

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    What's the last player with well-publicized character issues the Spurs signed or drafted?
    Metu. Morris. DJ. Luka. Neal.

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    Toronto beat the Bulls with Thaddeus Young as their starting center.
    What a choke fest.
    It will be a very compe ive race for the lottery by March.

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    Not sure how people can say the Kyrie trade was a success. It was an all in move to create a clear contender. One year later they're sitting at the 7th place in a VERY WEAK West, with the 14th best DIFF in the NBA, at +0.34 (9th in the West, which could be their real place). And we all know point DIFF is a good indicator of your real value at the end of the season, meaning they could not even be a top 10 team in the NBA... They're not winning anything with the Luka-Kyrie combo as main guys. It's a big fail, and Dallas has very little leeway to upgrade.
    they ed it up by letting Brunson go. At this point Brunson is better than Kyrie, impact wise.

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    portland u muthafckers

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    The pick swap in 2030 with Dallas may actually turn into something. Six years is a LONG time (and seven drafts away).

    Kyrie Irving will be on a beach by then and Doncic will have achy knees while weighing 300 lbs. I can dream, right?

    Regardless of how that turns out, its a nice future asset if things work out.

    Just consider where the Mavies were six years ago - and where the Spurs were six years ago. We'll see.

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    The pick swap in 2030 with Dallas may actually turn into something. Six years is a LONG time (and seven drafts away).

    Kyrie Irving will be on a beach by then and Doncic will have achy knees while weighing 300 lbs. I can dream, right?

    Regardless of how that turns out, its a nice future asset if things work out.

    Just consider where the Mavies were six years ago - and where the Spurs were six years ago. We'll see.
    the thing about swaps is that they may end up being illusory assets. but in this case it does look good for SAS. 2030 draft would be on the heels of what, wemby's age 26 season? luka should be just fine at 30, but depends on how dallas fills up the roster as kyrie is gone by then

    dallas also owes brooklyn its 2029 pick for the kyrie trade so they wont get immediate rookie help leading up to that season. they also will owe their FRP to the knicks either this or next year. probably will convey this year unless they full tank again, but i dont see that happening

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    The pick swap in 2030 with Dallas may actually turn into something. Six years is a LONG time (and seven drafts away).

    Kyrie Irving will be on a beach by then and Doncic will have achy knees while weighing 300 lbs. I can dream, right?

    Regardless of how that turns out, its a nice future asset if things work out.

    Just consider where the Mavies were six years ago - and where the Spurs were six years ago. We'll see.
    Luka looks close to 300 lbs now tbh

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    Memphis is probably going to tank the hardest soon even without resting their players unless DJ is traded in ATL. Barnes, RJ and Poeltl back with their pretty easy SOS is going to get them around 7th or 8th pick spot.

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    Memphis is probably going to tank the hardest soon even without resting their players unless DJ is traded in ATL. Barnes, RJ and Poeltl back with their pretty easy SOS is going to get them around 7th or 8th pick spot.
    we can only hope.

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    They were really running on fumes and inertia after Ja went down, but they’ve dropped three in a row now. They’re coming back to Earth, and if ATL trades DJ for picks, they’ll drop, too.

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    Spurs, Detroit, Charlotte and Washington are pretty much a lock for the bottom 6 at the end of the season... that leaves us with two remaining spots, between Memphis, portland, Toronto and and we gotta see what happens in Atlanta but the raps are sure gonna tank hard to get one of those even if they have a few compe ive players who will play to showcase themselves.

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    Spurs, Detroit, Charlotte and Washington are pretty much a lock for the bottom 6 at the end of the season... that leaves us with two remaining spots, between Memphis, portland, Toronto and and we gotta see what happens in Atlanta but the raps are sure gonna tank hard to get one of those even if they have a few compe ive players who will play to showcase themselves.
    Toronto is at 17 wins. I don't think they'll catch Detroit (6), Washington (9), Spurs (10) and Charlotte (10), even if they tank. But they may catch Portland (15 wins), and then there's a bunch of teams trying to win: Memphis (18), Brooklyn (19), Atlanta (20), Golden State (20). IMO there's no way Toronto finishes in the bottom 4, but may end up 5th (36.1 % chance of the pick conveying) if they tear it down and Portland doesn't or more likely 6th (54.2%), but 7 (68.1%) or lower isn't totally out of the question. At this point the pick conveying or not is about a toss up, and I'm equally torn in whether I want it to convey this year or not

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    Poeltl and Quickley back tonight for the Raptors against the Rockets. Barrett still out.

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    Toronto is at 17 wins. I don't think they'll catch Detroit (6), Washington (9), Spurs (10) and Charlotte (10), even if they tank. But they may catch Portland (15 wins), and then there's a bunch of teams trying to win: Memphis (18), Brooklyn (19), Atlanta (20), Golden State (20). IMO there's no way Toronto finishes in the bottom 4, but may end up 5th (36.1 % chance of the pick conveying) if they tear it down and Portland doesn't or more likely 6th (54.2%), but 7 (68.1%) or lower isn't totally out of the question. At this point the pick conveying or not is about a toss up, and I'm equally torn in whether I want it to convey this year or not
    Memphis is the only one among those that seems obvious to tank, although sneakily Golden State owes their pick to Portland unless it's 1-4. I don't think we'll see them tank nor are they close enough. Brooklyn doesn't own their pick whatsoever.

    Honestly, with Atlanta, if reports that a guy like Tyus Jones is available for a couple of SRPs, I would guess there are bargains out there to help marginal teams for not a ton.

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    Portland is now within 2 games of Toronto

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    TOR sucks so bad I cannot believe it. Mem winning so much with half their team gone while TOR chokes is so depressing

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    TOR sucks so bad I cannot believe it. Mem winning so much with half their team gone while TOR chokes is so depressing
    im telling you bro,They will suck next year and we wont get the pick next year as well.They will
    be bad for awhile.

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    Toronto nearly beat Thunder last night, Thunder needed 2OTs. Raptors had nothing left tonight. Don't hang yourselves.

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    Not sure how people can say the Kyrie trade was a success. It was an all in move to create a clear contender. One year later they're sitting at the 7th place in a VERY WEAK West, with the 14th best DIFF in the NBA, at +0.34 (9th in the West, which could be their real place). And we all know point DIFF is a good indicator of your real value at the end of the season, meaning they could not even be a top 10 team in the NBA... They're not winning anything with the Luka-Kyrie combo as main guys. It's a big fail, and Dallas has very little leeway to upgrade.
    Cuban is a horrible owner and has zero clue on hiring. He only won one because of Dirk's greatness and Donnie Nelson. They should have had at least 2 chips if not 3 under Dirk's tenure.

    And they've only gotten worse since they let go of Nelson. Kidd is a horrible Xs and Os coach and was apparently hated at his previous stop.

    Dallas will lose Luka because of Cuban's incompetence.

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    They are beginning their tank.

    They gave Grady 30 minutes last night and he had a great shooting night but gave him 24 minutes against the Rockets on a
    bad shooting night a couple of games ago so looks like they are playing him more with little desire on the outcome because they are not going for wins.

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    They are beginning their tank.

    They gave Grady 30 minutes last night and he had a great shooting night but gave him 24 minutes against the Rockets on a
    bad shooting night a couple of games ago so looks like they are playing him more with little desire on the outcome because they are not going for wins.
    Like, literally the night before they took OKC, one of the best teams in the league, to two OTs. That's not a tanking team. They just had nothing last night. And developing a rookie is not tanking in itself.

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    TOR won't be a tanking team next season imo, too much talent

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    TOR won't be a tanking team next season imo, too much talent
    to much talent after they traded two allstar players.They will suck next year as well.

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    to much talent after they traded two allstar players.They will suck next year as well.
    OG Anunoby was never an all star. He’s never scored 20 points per game for a season, even in this gogo offensive era. In years gone by, he might have been considered a better offense, worse defense Bowen. He’s a role player.

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