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    Compare that to 3 LAL picks + 2 LAL Swaps + Reaves + Filler... I'm not sure that SA offer wins.

    I'm also not sure LAL actually would offer that, but that would be an offer that could potentially beat the package you threw out.

    I like your package, but would want Collins going out if possible. Also if I could somehow keep either TOR or CHI, I would want to do that, but that might be asking too much.
    I heard that Collins cannot be traded before October 2024 because he signed a veteran extension.

    As far as the Lakers, they'll have to manage the epron situation. Right now, their projected payroll is 178.7 millions next season which will put them above the first epron. I don't know how that works but in theory, Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign and trade if that player keeps them abode the epron. The epron is 172 millions and Trae will make 43 millions next year (considering he is refusing his 15% trade kicker) so that's 49 millions to find. Let's say that they trade Russel and Reaves, that's 33 millions. They need to find another 16 millions to shed, so maybe they can send Hachimura as well.

    At the point, the Lakers will have a 40 year old Lebron, Davis who tends to injure himself quite a lot and Trae who doesn't play defense and pretty much nobody else and no pick to improve. I doubt that the Lakers go for it

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    Is this guy credible? not sure being an AirAlamo contributor counts

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    I heard that Collins cannot be traded before October 2024 because he signed a veteran extension.

    As far as the Lakers, they'll have to manage the epron situation. Right now, their projected payroll is 178.7 millions next season which will put them above the first epron. I don't know how that works but in theory, Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign and trade if that player keeps them abode the epron. The epron is 172 millions and Trae will make 43 millions next year (considering he is refusing his 15% trade kicker) so that's 49 millions to find. Let's say that they trade Russel and Reaves, that's 33 millions. They need to find another 16 millions to shed, so maybe they can send Hachimura as well.

    At the point, the Lakers will have a 40 year old Lebron, Davis who tends to injure himself quite a lot and Trae who doesn't play defense and pretty much nobody else and no pick to improve. I doubt that the Lakers go for it
    I'm pretty sure the Oct 2024 date is incorrect and that he is tradeable after April 22, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

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    I'm pretty sure the Oct 2024 date is incorrect and that he is tradeable after April 22, but it would be nice to have confirmation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYq891mB3Jk

    At 12'50

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    The newest episode of Locked on Hawks is mostly about the Trae Young rumors.

    LoH host is very good and very level headed.

    Summary: he doesn't think the Hawks will trade Young, and on top of that doesn't think they should

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    I trust this more: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-anto...collins-23605/

    And here, Paul Garcia basically admits he is just repeating what he read somewhere and doesn't really know:



    And more evidence that it's only a 6 month trade restriction:



    This is all easily verifiable for whoever wants to go read the CBA

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    Not sure if this is the case with the updated CBA, but it appears the 1-year restriction was for Designated Veteran (SuperMax) extensions, which obviously Zach Collins did not receive.

    This page lists all the trade restrictions currently in place by team by player: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/transact...-restrictions/

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    Is this guy credible? not sure being an AirAlamo contributor counts
    Yeah, they're kinda just rumor mongers.

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    spotrac is usually pretty accurate with that stuff. they're quite credible

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    Not sure if this is the case with the updated CBA, but it appears the 1-year restriction was for Designated Veteran (SuperMax) extensions, which obviously Zach Collins did not receive.

    This page lists all the trade restrictions currently in place by team by player: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/transact...-restrictions/
    Ok good. Then if we can package Collins to Atlanta, at least we are getting rid of a bad contract and could try to trade for another player. It is all going to come down to how many FRP Atlanta wants. I would really like to keep their 2025 to have a chance at Cooper Flag.

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    Damn that Rondo clip was on

    And he's right. Every night he's the focus of the defense and still puts up the 28 & 10 or whatever his numbers are

    Imagine now with Wemby spacing and the attention he gets ... With Vassell there.... That's a good start

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    Ok good. Then if we can package Collins to Atlanta, at least we are getting rid of a bad contract and could try to trade for another player. It is all going to come down to how many FRP Atlanta wants. I would really like to keep their 2025 to have a chance at Cooper Flag.
    It’s the price you’re going to have to pay for Trae

    atlanta isn’t going to trade their best player just to help another team land flagg

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    Yeah, they're kinda just rumor mongers.
    Ty actually has connections since he was a Spurs reporter before. Dude is deplorable though. His takes are horrendous.

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    It’s the price you’re going to have to pay for Trae

    atlanta isn’t going to trade their best player just to help another team land flagg
    Toronto pick
    Cha pick
    Chicago pick
    The lesser of the 25 pick (SA/Atl)
    Their 27 pick

    Keldon
    Graham
    Branham

    Again, who out there beats that package? Not who can, but who's willing too?

    Lots of people say we have to include 25, but nobody says who gonna offer a better package as compe ion.

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    Toronto pick
    Cha pick
    Chicago pick
    The lesser of the 25 pick (SA/Atl)
    Their 27 pick

    Keldon
    Graham
    Branham

    Again, who out there beats that package? Not who can, but who's willing too?

    Lots of people say we have to include 25, but nobody says who gonna offer a better package as compe ion.
    Lakers with Reaves/Russell, 3 picks, 2 swaps.

    Possibly Philly with a combination of picks, Harris, and floatsam.

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    Lakers with Reaves/Russell, 3 picks, 2 swaps.

    Possibly Philly with a combination of picks, Harris, and floatsam.
    It's unlikely LA offers that and the value is close anyway. Philly would have to get Harris to agree since he's a FA and their picks aren't projected as high as our package.

    I will concede tne LA package is stiff compe ion though if they are willing to go all-in on Trae.

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    Lakers with Reaves/Russell, 3 picks, 2 swaps.

    Possibly Philly with a combination of picks, Harris, and floatsam.
    Russel is a net negative. No one wanted to give LA anything at the deadline so they could do other trades. Also, 5 FRPs is better than 3 and two swaps.

    Philly’s package wouldn’t be any better, mainly because Harris is a UFA, and probably wouldn’t be too jazzed to go to a Trae-less ATL squad.

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    It's unlikely LA offers that and the value is close anyway. Philly would have to get Harris to agree since he's a FA and their picks aren't projected as high as our package.

    I will concede tne LA package is stiff compe ion though if they are willing to go all-in on Trae.
    What could make sense is a team like NOLA. They were rumored to be after DJM, so Trae fits that profil. They could do a package some young talent (Hawkins, Jones, Daniels), along with their own picks or some of the MIL picks they own. Not a haul by any means, by compe ive with the spurs - especially since ATL would want players if they’re not getting their picks back.

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    What could make sense is a team like NOLA. They were rumored to be after DJM, so Trae fits that profil. They could do a package some young talent (Hawkins, Jones, Daniels), along with their own picks or some of the MIL picks they own. Not a haul by any means, by compe ive with the spurs - especially since ATL would want players if they’re not getting their picks back.
    Nola can't match the pick portion i dont believe, then its a matter of are their young players + salary filler (if they have any... i haven't looked) are greater value than Keldon + Branham + Graham's salary savings.

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    Nola can't match the pick portion i dont believe, then its a matter of are their young players + salary filler (if they have any... i haven't looked) are greater value than Keldon + Branham + Graham's salary savings.
    Their young players would easily be better than a package involving Branham. It’d come down to whether ATL wanted to tear it down to the studs or do a Toronto type rebuild.

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    Their young players would easily be better than a package involving Branham. It’d come down to whether ATL wanted to tear it down to the studs or do a Toronto type rebuild.
    I agree they are better than Branham, but are they so much better that it makes up for their poorer picks + cap savings + Keldon (who has value)

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    Fed Van Vleet + Jalen Green + a couple Brooklyn picks and filler. Who says no.

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    Toronto pick
    Cha pick
    Chicago pick
    The lesser of the 25 pick (SA/Atl)
    Their 27 pick

    Keldon
    Graham
    Branham

    Again, who out there beats that package? Not who can, but who's willing too?

    Lots of people say we have to include 25, but nobody says who gonna offer a better package as compe ion.
    its possible that nobody can beat it, but short of Trae outright demanding a trade, the hawks can just pass if they dont receive an offer they deem to be fair. even if its the best of a series of other unfair offers. heck it wouldnt shock me if as a necessary condition of the trade they demand not just their own 2025 pick but the better of the spurs/hawks 2025 pick (even if thats almost certainly going to be the hawks pick in this scenario). if the best player they're getting back is keldon, they will be quite greedy with the picks. if nobody meets their demand they can just move on and say no trade materialized

    of course, equations change if trae demands to be traded

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    its possible that nobody can beat it, but short of Trae outright demanding a trade, the hawks can just pass if they dont receive an offer they deem to be fair. even if its the best of a series of other unfair offers. heck it wouldnt shock me if as a necessary condition of the trade they demand not just their own 2025 pick but the better of the spurs/hawks 2025 pick (even if thats almost certainly going to be the hawks pick in this scenario). if the best player they're getting back is keldon, they will be quite greedy with the picks. if nobody meets their demand they can just move on and say no trade materialized

    of course, equations change if trae demands to be traded
    Then let them keep him. We shouldn't bid against ourselves. I will say though, i think it's baked in that they're moving him. They've made that pretty clear through press leaks and Trae's camp here's that. They'll work together to move him or it'll get tixic.

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    The big three wasn’t one transformative player. They were three HOF players who just needed complementary players around them. Complementary players are exactly what we have now. We need to draft a star or two.
    And Wemby and Trae are likely HOFers by the end of their careers

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