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Come on man, no. There are like 5 dudes ahead of him on the CURRENT roster. But there is an argument if broken down on a per dollar basis.
Does he make the top 10 list of worst players to ever put on a spurs uniform?
Come on man, no. There are like 5 dudes ahead of him on the CURRENT roster. But there is an argument if broken down on a per dollar basis.
Just because he plays more than other players doesn’t make him better than the other players. And this isn’t a genuine argument since not all of those players are centers and the team has to play a center. Collins, is in fact, one of the worst Spurs players of all-time.
Collins at least scored a little last night and hit a few 3s. His body language is pretty bad out there though. I’ve been beating the drum that one of the team’s biggest needs is a legit big to pair with Wemby. Sochan is a SF/PF that doesn’t deal with the likes of LeBron or AD that well. Of course, LeBron has his way with most everyone except he whose name we shall not mention.
I very much doubt the Spurs would waive and stretch Collins. Barring some unforeseen cir stance that demands immediate cap space, they probably eat his salary next season, and use his contract as trade filler the season following, when he becomes an expiring.
What I like about Zach is he still goes out there playing hard. He gets posterized because he doesn’t give up on a dunk. You have to give him credit for trying. I’m happy for him making that shot last night. I’m rooting he gets better because he’s a good kid, he has the motor and tenacity, and a hardworker. He climbed his way back from long injuries. He’s not a quitter.
How is this even a serious question? No.
They're not going to attach assets to get rid of Collins with a weak FA class where they'll need to make the salary floor anyways. Collins will get moved in the summer of 2025 or at the 2026 trade deadline when he's an expiring.
but man hes that bad,That hes hurting this team.Everyone sees it.As soon as collins steps in,You just
know gonna go south fast.
Which is why we need another defensive center. Barlow is solid but Collins should be playing pf off the bench along side Wemby or another 5 when Wembys getting rest. Sochan can play the 3 or 4 depending on matchups. I hope Toronto’s pick miracously conveys we could plug two big holes with solid top 10 talent
Indeed he is, but I still wouldn't attach assets to get rid of him. Especially since his contract could prove really useful for using for matching salary in trade. E.g., if the Spurs wanted to trade for Trae this summer or maybe at the 2025 draft I'm guessing it would be something like Keldon + Collins + Atlanta's 25 and 27 picks and the Spurs relinquish the 26 pick swap.
No... Top-10 worst contracts, sure. But not top-10 worst players. Spurs have had some really bad ones over the years. Off the top of my head, guys like Jeff Ayers, Danny Ferry, Austin Daye, Steve Smith, Chucky Brown, Greg Anderson, Jack Haley, Mengke Bateer, etc. come to mind. Even Mamu and Champagnie on our current roster are worse.
Zach playing so bad that he got a write-up in Lowe's piece this week:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-kyrie-pairing
5. The shot Zach Collins might need to bag
I have had a soft spot for Collins since the 2018-19 season, when he had somewhat of a breakout playoff performance for the Portland Trail Blazers. Collins was 21 then, in his second season, and it was reasonable to hope he might turn into the rare center who could both protect the rim and shoot 3s.
Injuries decimated him; Collins played only 39 games over the next three seasons. He was a worthy reclamation project for the San Antonio Spurs, and earned the two-year, $34.8 million extension he signed before this season.
But Collins' fit around Victor Wembanyama was murky. The Spurs started both bigs to open the season, and nudged Collins into a role as floor-spacing center; he is jacking 4.7 3s per 36 minutes, by far a career high. He is shooting 26.7%.
And these are wide-open shots. The nearest defender is about 9 feet from Collins on average when he takes 3s -- the 14th-highest figure among 295 players who have attempted at least 100 3s, per Second Spectrum.
For a while, Collins' persistence was admirable. It takes for ude to chuck through slumps and groaning crowds. About 10 or 15 games ago, his determination crossed that threshold from plucky to demoralizing. It's time to turn more of those 3s into dribble handoffs and other actions.
That might happen organically. Collins is now a full-time center coming off the bench, meaning he can revert to diving to the rim and posting up mismatches. He is taking 3.6 3s per 36 minutes as a backup, down from 5.2 as a starter.
Collins has a mean, physical post game, and can flick hooks with either hand. He remains a reliable (if foul-prone) defender. There have been a lot of bigs who tried to stretch their range, discovered it didn't work and revived their careers by returning to the bruising basics.
I'm not totally writing off Collins as a low-volume 3-point shooter; he just turned 26. Perhaps the Spurs could design plays so more of Collins' 3s come from the corners.
Just the fact that fans (us) are having even a remote discussion about waiving and stretching Collins is embarrassing. If that actually happened, it would have to be accompanied with Wright's resignation, that's how much of an embarrassment that would be.
Those here who are serious about the idea waiving and stretching Zach are just dumbasses. It unserious.
Dumbasses
Makes no sense to waive and stretch such a short duration contract unless that was the hurdle to some Free Agent move. I have a hard time believing that would ever be the case. There's no indication the Spurs are ready to give up on him either. Maybe he has to compete for the backup big job next season, but i do believe he'll be given a chance. He shouldn't even have the job on THIS roster, though, so I don't think he'll win it next year. But I do think he'll be given the chance.
His ankle injury has just been a big turning point in his season. Before the injury, he was averaging 12.9ppg and 6.0rpg in 26mpg while shooting 50/31/79. Saying that, he wasn't as good as his stats showed with especially a so-so defense.
Pre-injury Collins is an average backup C worth $10M a year.
Post-injury Collins is one of the worst player of the league.
It seems that it's cathartic for some of you to endlessly trash/insult him but you had to be a little honest and recognize how the injury has affected him. If Collins could go back to the level he had in the first two months of the season, he would be a slightly overpaid fine backup C.
Zollins has surpassed Bonner as the Spurs biggest "minute-stealer" from other more deserving players.
Just a horrible waste of minutes.
He has been moving around better.
Collins doesn't have the ball skills nor mobility to play PF (which is primarily composed of big wings) in today's NBA.
Danny Ferry was a big part of helping the Spurs pull out a must win Game 2 over Phoenix in the 03 playoffs after David was hurt and Kevin Willis got suspended. If you're not old enough to remember, that Suns team was a matchup nightmare for the Spurs and had owned them all season in addition to stealing Game 1 of the series. Ferry definitely earned his ring with that performance. Don't get me wrong, he was a terrible starter for the 01 Spurs but he's very very very far from being on a list of worst Spurs.
Richard Jefferson was a worse contract. We traded a first to swap him with SJax even though he wasn’t expiring either, it was just a shorter contract by 1 year.
Though jax did play well down the stretch that first season. Was terrible the next year and then waived
Pau getting 3/48 was bad. 50 mills was bad. Parker’s last 3/43 or whatever was very bad
Stoudamire/Nash/Pringles imploded nicely after that. Ferry and Willis gooning off the bench were key. Ferry getting in people's head was legendary.
At least the 3/48 for Gasol was a promise they made after asking him to take a paycut to sign CP0 back when that er was acting like he would come here. Had to live up to that one after getting him to opt out of his final year at $16 million.
I didn’t mind the Jefferson trade at the time, but the extension was brutal.
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