Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[The Truth #6]

Fireable offense seems a bit strong. Williams or Matas could flop just as easily as a lot of these players, and I like both of them.

[Mr. Body]

Yikes. Imagine drafting Dillingham 2nd or 3rd over one of Risacher, Sarr, Topic, Williams or even Matas. That would be a fireable offense.

Man, which of those is a sure fire hit??

Sarr looks like a low chance of panning out above a good weak side shotblocker.

Risacher is strictly a role-player with a thin chance of more.

Williams, I have no idea why people are so high on this guy. Slow, weak, a good shooter at low volume but doesn't do anything else.

Matas is fine, but isn't entirely convincing.

None of these guys are entirely convincing, really. Ain't no one getting fired for missing some can't-miss prospect here because there isn't one.

[DAF86]

Yikes. Imagine drafting Dillingham 2nd or 3rd over one of Risacher, Sarr, Topic, Williams or even Matas. That would be a fireable offense.

I would say that Dillingham's chances of sticking in the NBA, at least as a microwave type backup PG, are higher than most of the guys you named, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I would say that Dillingham's chances of sticking in the NBA, at least as a microwave type backup PG, are higher than most of the guys you named, tbh.

1000%

This league has a lot of scorching hot small scoring guards. If I had to bet any top guy in this draft 'works out,' it's him. I have very little doubt his scoring is going to translate. Question is what you give up on the other side.

By watching him, he needs no wind-up to start pouring shots in. He doesn't pout on bad stretches. He plays within a game flow, but can start ripping point off. Clearly he has a clutch gene. He can get his shots off in very tight spaces. Right now, per 36 he's getting off 6.8 threes a game and is hitting .452 percent. I mean, that's a really significant sample size and he's doing it when teams are trying to stop him.

Not saying he's the Spurs' guy, but again if there's a bet to make about whose skills will translate, to me it's this guy.

[R. DeMurre]

Man, which of those is a sure fire hit??

Sarr looks like a low chance of panning out above a good weak side shotblocker.

Risacher is strictly a role-player with a thin chance of more.

Williams, I have no idea why people are so high on this guy. Slow, weak, a good shooter at low volume but doesn't do anything else.

Matas is fine, but isn't entirely convincing.

None of these guys are entirely convincing, really. Ain't no one getting fired for missing some can't-miss prospect here because there isn't one.

I totally understand this perception, but it is interesting to note that the same thing was said about Jalen last summer. I saw numerous comments about him having an "old man's game" or looking like the janitor putting up shots in the gym.

[Mr. Body]

I totally understand this perception, but it is interesting to note that the same thing was said about Jalen last summer. I saw numerous comments about him having an "old man's game" or looking like the janitor putting up shots in the gym.

Goddamn if people don't stop bringing up his brother.

[scott]

Yikes. Imagine drafting Dillingham 2nd or 3rd over one of Risacher, Sarr, Topic, Williams or even Matas. That would be a fireable offense.

Well, in this case we weren't drafting 2nd or 3rd, we drafted 6th (Matas) and 8th (Dilly). Agreed there is no reason to take Dilly before the TOR pick - odds are he'll be there, IMO.

[BackHome]

Two guys that I would seriously look if we get the Raptors pick would be:

Johnny Furphy - SF - 6'9 - Kansas - I like the kid he can shoot the 3 ball - 394% and looks to be a good rebounder for his postion. Two things that I think we need which is rebounding and better outside shooting which he does well in.

Devin Carter - PG - 6'3 "Legit" - Providence - Starting to really like his game and think this is the kind of kid Pop would love to coach as Dejounte likes to say "He got the Dog" in him he plays great defense and is probably the best defender and rebounder for his position. He is older 22 but I don't mind as he was well known as being a great defender but has really improved his offensive game

[exstatic]

Two guys that I would seriously look if we get the Raptors pick would be:

Johnny Furphy - SF - 6'9 - Kansas - I like the kid he can shoot the 3 ball - 394% and looks to be a good rebounder for his postion. Two things that I think we need which is rebounding and better outside shooting which he does well in.

Devin Carter - PG - 6'3 "Legit" - Providence - Starting to really like his game and think this is the kind of kid Pop would love to coach as Dejounte likes to say "He got the Dog" in him he plays great defense and is probably the best defender and rebounder for his position. He is older 22 but I don't mind as he was well known as being a great defender but has really improved his offensive game

Devin Carter will be available in the second round. No need to reach by almost 30 picks.

[spurraider21]

Nets crushing Memphis

Raptors and Pacers going down to the wire

[MultiTroll]

Raps on like a 12-0 tear to break open a close game.

Nicely done.

Doughie McForbesbot on the bench for Indy.

[spurraider21]

what a possession by quickley. showing off the handles to beat all the traps and doubles, then with shot clock winding down blows by his guy for what is effectively the game sealing layup

[objective]

Re: Dillingham

Vecenie, fwiw, in I think the most recent podcast, said not only that Dillingham wasn't the passer Trae Young was, but was even a worse defender than Young was at OSU

Ouch

It's taken Young, what, 5+ years to get his defense better than awful?

[Mr. Body]

Re: Dillingham

Vecenie, fwiw, in I think the most recent podcast, said not only that Dillingham wasn't the passer Trae Young was, but was even a worse defender than Young was at OSU

Ouch

It's taken Young, what, 5+ years to get his defense better than awful?

Vecenie is always full of . Neither was a good defender. I think Dillingham can improve. Young had an ungodly usage rate of 37.1% and so got more assists that way.

Young had him at the free throw line, generating way more fouls and doubling the amount of fts, and got more assists. Dillingham - again, as a college player - is a much better shooter. Young shot a load but has never actually hit efficiently. Trae was a .360 shooter from deep, Dillingham is .452.

[Mr. Body]

Raptors are a lot of fun to watch. The soft rebuild has looked pretty good.

As I said. The return of Poeltl helped a ton.

[spurraider21]

barring a herculean comeback by memphis...

bottom 5 are still quite clearly the pistons, wizards, spurs, hornets, and blazers, followed by:

6) Memphis: 20-38
7) Toronto: 22-36
8) Brooklyn: 22-25
T-9) Houston: 25-32
T-10) Atlanta: 25-32
11) Utah: 27-31
12) Chicago: 27-30

of those last 4, atlanta seems to be the team most likely to start tailing off given the Young injury, though Murray should be more effective playing on-ball for a change. even at the #7 spot, its about a 68% chance of the pick conveying. incrementally increases the further up the standings toronto goes, but also makes the floor of the pick worse

ie at #7, (excluding scenarios less than 0.5% likely to occur) the raptors can convey any pick between 7-10 , whereas at #8 they can convey any pick between 8-10 (73.5% chance overall of pick conveying), and at #9, can convey 9-11, (82.6% chance of conveying) etc

[exstatic]

barring a herculean comeback by memphis...

bottom 5 are still quite clearly the pistons, wizards, spurs, hornets, and blazers, followed by:

6) Memphis: 20-38
7) Toronto: 22-36
8) Brooklyn: 22-25
T-9) Houston: 25-32
T-10) Atlanta: 25-32
11) Utah: 27-31
12) Chicago: 27-30

of those last 4, atlanta seems to be the team most likely to start tailing off given the Young injury, though Murray should be more effective playing on-ball for a change. even at the #7 spot, its about a 68% chance of the pick conveying. incrementally increases the further up the standings toronto goes, but also makes the floor of the pick worse

ie at #7, (excluding scenarios less than 0.5% likely to occur) the raptors can convey any pick between 7-10 , whereas at #8 they can convey any pick between 8-10 (73.5% chance overall of pick conveying), and at #9, can convey 9-11, (82.6% chance of conveying) etc

As long as Toronto won, there really isn’t a downside to the other game. If Brooklyn wins, they maintain a slim 1/2 game hold on #8, but Toronto opens up a 2 game edge on Memphis for #7.

[Mr. Body]

Best for is probably Toronto at seven or eight. Any higher and we start losing draft slots for marginal gains in conveyance chance.

[Bruno]

Something to keep in mind is that Raptors could make the playoffs. In that case, they won't be in the lottery and Spurs would get the 15th pick even if Raptors have the 9th and 10th worst record in the league.

Raptors aren't that far from the playoffs. They could catch up the Trae-less Hawks to finish 10th in the east. After that play-in could be a first game against Bulls, followed by a second game against the Embiid-less Sixers.

I rather see the pick not conveying this year than getting the 15th pick.

[Atl Spur]

It was all good a few weeks ago….. people were so sure but Toronto rather lose it this year vs the upcoming years.

[duncan2150]

Something to keep in mind is that Raptors could make the playoffs. In that case, they won't be in the lottery and Spurs would get the 15th pick even if Raptors have the 9th and 10th worst record in the league.

Raptors aren't that far from the playoffs. They could catch up the Trae-less Hawks to finish 10th in the east. After that play-in could be a first game against Bulls, followed by a second game against the Embiid-less Sixers.

I rather see the pick not conveying this year than getting the 15th pick.

That's a worst case scenario, that could happen but unlikely imo . If we could get something between 7-11 that will be good.

[JPB]

Raptors are a lot of fun to watch. The soft rebuild has looked pretty good.

As I said. The return of Poeltl helped a ton.

but hey, let's spend the next 4 years at the bottom of the league "pounding the rock" with a generational talent.

[JPB]

Also, gotta love in this thread the definitive takes (from the usual experts) about the future of young prospects with zero NBA games they barely even saw play...

[exstatic]

Something to keep in mind is that Raptors could make the playoffs. In that case, they won't be in the lottery and Spurs would get the 15th pick even if Raptors have the 9th and 10th worst record in the league.

Raptors aren't that far from the playoffs. They could catch up the Trae-less Hawks to finish 10th in the east. After that play-in could be a first game against Bulls, followed by a second game against the Embiid-less Sixers.

I rather see the pick not conveying this year than getting the 15th pick.

Overtaking ATL would make them the 10 seed. No 10 seed has played in to the playoffs, and precious few 9 seeds have, either.

I see ATL holding their spot with DJ at the helm, but not playing in to the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

Also, gotta love in this thread the definitive takes (from the usual experts) about the future of young prospects with zero NBA games they barely even saw play...

pretty sure people are just giving their opinions and it should be taken as such