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even the hawks are in a great position. i really doubt murray lays an egg for the rest of the season. he could drop 50 points.
hawks will have two great trade pieces this summer.
i'd still rather the spurs nab young though, by a mile.
dejounte is absolutely licking his chops right now, this as good as it could get for him.
all he has to do is win some games, show effort on defense and someone is bound to reward him.
he has a blank check. losses can just be chalked up to "well trae is out". right or wrong, the fans and FO will really start to wonder what they could get for young.
even the hawks are in a great position. i really doubt murray lays an egg for the rest of the season. he could drop 50 points.
hawks will have two great trade pieces this summer.
i'd still rather the spurs nab young though, by a mile.
i think with how much wemby can handle the ball that he + murray can win games.
but like i said years ago, murray is george hill 3.0. dejounte can show up for RS games, have some big games in the playoffs but i don't think he's the starting 1 you want to have if you wanna win it all. unless the team is stacked enough, and the spurs get don't get big names in thru free agency.
Murray could be a champion point guard as the third or fourth best player in the team. I just think we have our future third and fourth best player in a championship team in vassel and Sochan. It's now finding the second best player. That's not Murray.
I keep making drafts of a reply to this and forgetting to post. Young is extension eligible this summer. You're probably right about the DPE having to wait, which means Young may not want to be traded until after he signs it. His Bird rights transfer over, but only Atlanta can sign him to a DPE. He'll have to wait sic6 months to either be traded after extending or to be extended after trading. That means functionally that he'd have to extend with ATL this summer in order to be tradeable by the deadline or just be traded without the extension.
^ feels like ATL is sending some strong signals that they have little interest in paying him the DPE. Perhaps this is what all this trade chatter is about at the root.
A very logical read.
imo the supermax has backfired. It was designed to let teams keep players that would otherwise walk, but there are far more players who want it than actually deserve it. This leads to teams having to trade away players that they don't want to supermax for cents on the dollar.
I wonder if this could be avoided by having supermax eligibility travel with trades. Then the receiving team would have to deal with that headache too, meaning the player would have to have their come to jesus moment and realize they aren't getting the supermax even though they are eligible. Or the receiving team might think the player is worth the supermax after all. But that defeats the purpose of the supermax in the first place.
Sorry but Sochan is not your 4th best player in a championship team. One of spurs priority is to actually find a starting PF/big to start along Wemby. Sochan is undersized, and get pushed/scored on by everyone taller than 6'9 in this league and guard any strong big Victor can't. And as a non shooter, he can't really stretccan't h the floor for Victor.
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I think this draft is about as important a draft for the future of our franchise as any I can remember. If we nail this draft then we could trade for Young and really be on the path to creating our team of the future.
Young
filler defensive SG
FRP
Sochan (just have him practice corner 3s all summer)
Wemby
Bench
FRP
Vassell
added assets
Correct. I’d rather have a cushion of a pick or two than lose out.
Championships? We talking about championships? Honey, we're looking for the playoffs at this point.
Christ, people need to stop ting on our players, too. Not saying he's the answer, but Sochan has the best chemistry with Wemby than anyone on the team. Eventually he may move to the bench. Whatever.
But he's only a few ticks behind Scottie Barnes comparing their sop re years, with Sochan a year younger at that comparative point. Not saying stats are everything, but ing these players are very young and developing. This fan base is insane. Championships? Jesus.
Since moving back to PF, Sochan has been pretty good. TONS (even an almost unforgiveable amount) of mental errors, but he's young and we hope those will work themselves out. Would like to see him get tougher on the boards, but he's by far from the biggest problem right now.
Thanks Chinook - what is it that makes him extension eligible this summer? I included it in a very long post about his contract earlier, but from my research it didn't seem he was eligible currently. Thanks for the clarification on the DPE rules, I didn't realize that only ATL can sign him to a SuperMax. In that regard, if the Spurs wanted to make a move for him, it might be in his interest to do so this summer so they can get him locked in at a 30% extension eventually (assuming he waives his trade kicker). Trae at a 30% max deal alongside Wemby on a rookie SuperMax and Devin getting a 140% extension (assuming all goes well) isn't THAT bad (around 70% of the cap)
he's already locked into a 4 year extension which doesnt even kick in until next season
hes been whatever
since becoming the starting 4 he has averaged 11/7/3 on 44/30//75 splits
as the starting point guard he was averaging 12/5.5/4.5 on 45/43/79 splits
obviously with him handling the ball a lot less, the early season flaws arent as prevalent. but outside of maybe 3-5 games i dont think his defense has been notable at all regardless of position
Contracts are eligible to be extended three years after they are signed. The third anniversary of Young's extension signing will be during this off-season (August 6). Because he has an ETO rather than a regular player-option, the extension would have to be for only two additional years (meaning that it would include his two normal years, the ETO year and two additional years for a total of five years). If it were a PO, he could opt out of that year and then take three extension years.
Two things that might have come up while you were looking:
1) Young cannot sign this extension AND be traded this off-season. It's not clear he can sign that extension and be trade eligible by the deadline either. My guess is the deadline next year will be 02/06/2025. If Young's anniversary is truly 08/06, that means the sixth-month restriction would take it all the way to that date. I don't know how exactly the NBA defines sixth months and if the restriction would be lifted on 02/06 or 02/07, but that could be one reason why you can to the conclusion an extension isn't possible.
2) The DPE is a special extension that requires the player to have seven years of accrued service. The NBA has a zeroth year for rookies during their first off-season, so seven years of service means a player has to already be in their seventh regular season. DPE extensions can only be signed during the off-season, so Young won't be DPE-eligible until he is in the off-season after his seventh year, meaning 2025's summer.
Yes, the DPE is specifically for teams who had the player during their rookie contracts. It doesn't require the player to have been drafted by that team (which is why Harden was able to get it), but it does require that player having played their entire first extension with that team up to that point. I agree with Seventyniner that the DPE sucks, but in this case it's a double-edged sword. It makes it less likely Young requests out, but it also makes it far more likely that Wemby doesn't request out than some fans may have believed. If anything, what I learned from all this is that Wemby will likely be a Spur for at least eight years rather than seven given the extra year he has to wait to sign the DPE.
Being able to offer the DPE after the trade 100-percent defeats the purpose of it, though. It's meant as a nicer version of the NFL's franchise tag. If a player can demand to be traded and get a DPE, then the whole provision would just be a way to give the players more money for no reason. It's bad because players get overpaid for being "loyal" while still being able to demand a trade, and it just becomes a new status symbol for agents. There are only a small handful of players who got the DPE and were able to give that value back to their teams. It's basically only Curry and maybe Jokic and Giannis in my mind. It lacks an enforcement mechanisms to prevent player movement, which means it can't do its job.
We're looking at .500 at this point.
LeBron didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd season. KD didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd season. If you want another 15+ year run,well that takes time. What most of you are proposing is a 3-5 year bonfire that, when it burns out, leaves nothing to rebuild with.
How about reading quotes, I was answering someone saying Sochan is your 4th best player in a championship team... And ii you think I'm hard on Sochan, or spurs "youngsters", go read what fanbases from teams we meet say about them...
Hint: Man, the'yre terribe, damn they suck, borderline NBA players, Poor Wemby..." I mean, spurs are 10-125 or something... They freaking SUCK with Wemby kicking ass, like they were last year. That's who they are, not because they're tanking, of funky lineups, throwing games. or not trying hard.... They just SUCK.
That's the opposite, were are OVERRATING Sochan, Keldon, Tre or even Devin. Yes, Sochan is an undersized PF who can't shoot and misses wemby half of the time... He's average (or bad) at everything and doesn't really excel at anything. ofc, he'll progress, everybody does in any job just out of repe ions and experience, but not to the point where he wouldn't be expendable in a Wemby lead team. He'll be a decent role player at best.
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No one's overrating these players. This board is a ing dumpathon. Same as the Spurs subreddit. A bunch of ing inbred tools make up the online Spurs fanbase.
Sochan is ing 20 years old. He's not far off in production from Scottie Barnes the year after Barnes won the ing Rookie of the Year. Jesus Christ are people here infants, joining both impatience with a total lack of perspective.
Tre might be better of waiting to see if he is DPE eligible in 2025, and if not he can just do a short term extension that takes him to 10 years of service where he can get a 35% deal, right?
Discussion starts around 43 minutes. After Warriors fanboy Spears essentially alleges the league rigged the lottery for the Spurs and Mavericks fanboy/Spurs hater MacMahon gets his usual shots in at Pop, they go on to talk about Wembanyama's patience or lack thereof, Young and his possible connection to the Spurs . . .
Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective on Apple Podcasts
Andy Bailey occasionally aggregates players based on the average score of 8 "catch all" metrics and in the latest update Sochan is 284th out of 332 qualifiers (minimum 400 minutes).
I get that he's only in his second season, is 20 and started the season playing out of position, but all the evidence to this point indicates a player somewhere between fringe rotation and replacement level.
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Mate, Draymond Green was drafted as a SF and became one of the best post defenders ever. He became the third best player for the warriors. Sochan is developing nicely as that complimentary piece and looking better than Draymond did in his second year.
9th seed in first and second season, missed by one game and tiebreaker, respectively.
Was over .500 in 2005.
And I'm not sure you want to make Cavaliers comparison because they were extremely incompetent.
Not a fair comparison, he got drafted to a team that was in the process of relocating.KD didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd season.
Went from 23 wins in second to 50 in third season.
We're 5 years into the lottery and have one good player other than Wemby.If you want another 15+ year run,well that takes time.
We just want to see some semblance of where this roster is going, not an extension for Zach ing Collins.
Spurs have 8 FRPs in the next 4 drafts and countless seconds.What most of you are proposing is a 3-5 year bonfire that, when it burns out, leaves nothing to rebuild with.
Noone is proposing that PATFO blows their entire load on an average all-star, there's plenty of assets to get a good player or two while still keeping most of those picks.
i mean, the best attribute sochan has going for him right now is that he's still very young. i dont know if thats a good thing or not
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