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    Andy Bailey occasionally aggregates players based on the average score of 8 "catch all" metrics and in the latest update Sochan is 284th out of 332 qualifiers (minimum 400 minutes).

    I get that he's only in his second season, is 20 and started the season playing out of position, but all the evidence to this point indicates a player somewhere between fringe rotation and replacement level.
    Yeah, I'm not in the camp that "we already have our 4th best player on a contending team" in Sochan, but my comment was more that I don't think we have to immediately replace our PF. I would definitely like some better PF depth, but I'd also like to see what Sochan can do with a better team around him as the 5th best starter. I'm also not going to cry over spilled milk if one of our many draft picks end up supplanting him on the team.

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    I'm leaning more and more towards this path. I don't know how realistic it is, though.

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    Appreciate ya', Lil General!

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    Last I heard, Cleveland was shopping Darius, not Donovan. That was also during an underperforming stretch by the Cavs. They’re now #2 in the East.

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    Last I heard, Cleveland was shopping Darius, not Donovan. That was also during an underperforming stretch by the Cavs. They’re now #2 in the East.
    might not be a trade if he wants to hit free agency. he can decline his player option and be a FA in the 2025 offseason

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    Last I heard, Cleveland was shopping Darius, not Donovan. That was also during an underperforming stretch by the Cavs. They’re now #2 in the East.
    I thought it was opposite given Mitc ’s contract situation, no? But things have definitely changed since.

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    Sorry but Sochan is not your 4th best player in a championship team. One of spurs priority is to actually find a starting PF/big to start along Wemby. Sochan is undersized, and get pushed/scored on by everyone taller than 6'9 in this league and guard any strong big Victor can't. And as a non shooter, he can't really stretccan't h the floor for Victor.
    Could easily be, his defense is playoff proof and a perfect match for Victor. Two big lineup see less and less time the deeper you are in a playoff series, cause the good teams has great perimeter iso guys that render rim protection useless.

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    Cleveland is going to offer him the extension this offseason. There has been complete silence on his side about extending with the Cavs ever since the trade happened. If he doesn’t, it’s expected that the Cavs are gonna try to trade him before next years trade deadline and it’ll be one of the years leading stories.

    He’d have to agree to extend with the Spurs beforehand if that trade were to happen, which isn’t happening.

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    Murray could be a champion point guard as the third or fourth best player in the team. I just think we have our future third and fourth best player in a championship team in vassel and Sochan.
    i agree with your first sentence.

    your second sentence is driving off a cliff.

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    he's already locked into a 4 year extension which doesnt even kick in until next season
    i meant blank check figuratively. he has a blank check on the court. he'll have the ball in his hands and can do whatever he wants with it.

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    Could easily be, his defense is playoff proof and a perfect match for Victor. Two big lineup see less and less time the deeper you are in a playoff series, cause the good teams has great perimeter iso guys that render rim protection useless.
    Sochan has zero playoff games. And his defense has deteriorated too.

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    LeBron didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd season. KD didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd season. If you want another 15+ year run,well that takes time. What most of you are proposing is a 3-5 year bonfire that, when it burns out, leaves nothing to rebuild with.
    they weren't ready like Wemby was and first of all, this is 2024. Lots of things have changed in the NBA these last 10 years. Players have control now, and much less patience. Wemby HATES to lose, passionately.

    And it's not just about makng the POs but being somehow compe ive, not just plain suck or tank as an organisation.

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    Last I heard, Cleveland was shopping Darius, not Donovan. That was also during an underperforming stretch by the Cavs. They’re now #2 in the East.
    reports are saying Donovan Mitc is 100% gone once his contract expires. He doesn't want to play in Cleveland. At least that's what's being said behind the scenes.

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    i agree with your first sentence.

    your second sentence is driving off a cliff.
    I am here to discuss.

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    Sochan has zero playoff games. And his defense has deteriorated too.
    No but an iso is an iso regular season or playoffs. Why would his defense deteriorate.

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    Mitc is a worse chucker than Trae while being a few tiers below Trae in playmaking department.
    Hard pass unless it's a free agency signing with a discount.
    He's also just as bad of a defender, despite being way more athletic.

    Not to mention that getting Mitc would mean Devin has to go.

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    Mitc is a worse chucker than Trae while being a few tiers below Trae in playmaking department.
    Hard pass unless it's a free agency signing with a discount.
    He's also just as bad of a defender, despite being way more athletic.

    Not to mention that getting Mitc would mean Devin has to go.
    That's not what the stats indicate at all, tbh. Mitc is more efficient, has a bigger impact on offense and is a net positive in defense. There's a reason he has had winning seasons on every team he has played.

    Also, why getting Mitc would mean Vassell has to go?

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    "“I hope not. I hope this is the last time we see him in a Hawks uniform. I feel like his talent is being wasted, his prime is being wasted. Get healthy, get 100% correct whether that is in Atlanta or you know, fingers crossed, the San Antonio Spurs,” Cousins said during a recent conversation online with Rachel Nichols."

    https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-...anyama-team-up




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    I'll be honest, it feels good that people are wanting to see all-star caliber players play with for the Spurs and with Wemby and are actively pushing it. Now I know how Lakers fans feel.

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    That's not what the stats indicate at all, tbh.
    Are you sure?

    Mitc is more efficient
    His efficency has been on a steady decline since that ridiculous bubble series.
    Last two first round exits were embarrassing. Just kept on chucking his team out of both series.

    has a bigger impact on offense
    Both him and Trae are streaky scorers. When their shot isn't falling, Trae is still an elite playmaker, while Mitc just keeps chucking.
    And Trae is better at drawing fouls.

    net positive in defense
    Most definitely not.
    The entire reason why that Utah team failed was Gobert playing 1v5 on defense, with some help from O'Neale and Ingles.
    Mitc , Bogdanovic, Conley and Clarkson always got cooked.

    He's a ridiculous athlete and should be an elite defender, but he's not even a positive on that end.
    He might be better than Trae because he's more athletic, but still a guard that needs to be hidden.

    There's a reason he has had winning seasons on every team he has played.
    Yeah, he was never on a bad team.
    I guess Wemby sucks.

    Also, why getting Mitc would mean Vassell has to go?
    Because they're both shooting guards with questionable defense.
    The only way it would work is if we stumble upon the next big thing in point forward role.
    Otherwise you'd watch more of point Sochan.

    Mitc is a freak athlete that will be in for a rough awakening as soon as his athleticism goes.
    And he'll be 28 before the next season start.
    For me, the only upside of potentially getting him would be the fact that he'd come as a free agent.
    But even then, he'd ask for like 50 million a year, I'm not sure you want to give that to a player who would be 32-33 at the end of his deal.

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    Are you sure?



    His efficency has been on a steady decline since that ridiculous bubble series.
    Last two first round exits were embarrassing. Just kept on chucking his team out of both series.



    Both him and Trae are streaky scorers. When their shot isn't falling, Trae is still an elite playmaker, while Mitc just keeps chucking.
    And Trae is better at drawing fouls.



    Most definitely not.
    The entire reason why that Utah team failed was Gobert playing 1v5 on defense, with some help from O'Neale and Ingles.
    Mitc , Bogdanovic, Conley and Clarkson always got cooked.

    He's a ridiculous athlete and should be an elite defender, but he's not even a positive on that end.
    He might be better than Trae because he's more athletic, but still a guard that needs to be hidden.



    Yeah, he was never on a bad team.
    I guess Wemby sucks.



    Because they're both shooting guards with questionable defense.
    The only way it would work is if we stumble upon the next big thing in point forward role.
    Otherwise you'd watch more of point Sochan.

    Mitc is a freak athlete that will be in for a rough awakening as soon as his athleticism goes.
    And he'll be 28 before the next season start.
    For me, the only upside of potentially getting him would be the fact that he'd come as a free agent.
    But even then, he'd ask for like 50 million a year, I'm not sure you want to give that to a player who would be 32-33 at the end of his deal.
    This season Donovan Mitc has been an elite player and has been a defensive plus. This has been shown both in eye test and also corroborated by advanced stats as he is a top 10 player based on EPM and DARKO. Both also corroborate the fact that he has been a plus defender this season. Say what you want about him past seasons but for this season your statements are factually incorrect. While Garland was out he was also playing point guard for the cavs as they went on their big winning streak. Your point about giving a 50 million a year contract to a player in his early 30s is a legitimate concern, but you are incorrect in terms of his quality as a player compared to Trae Young especially this season.

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    Doing more research on Young and laughing at people that don't want him on the Spurs.

    Young is second in assists per game this season and averages more assists than Luka.

    He's fourth in free throw attempts per game and is better at getting to the line than Jayson Tatum by a one attempt per game.

    He's sixth in double doubles this season and has six more double doubles than Wemby.

    But Young still is just not good enough to play second fiddle to Wemby. No way no how.

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    Anyone wanting Trae Young on the Spurs should take a deep breath, take a very long look in the mirror, and then realize that your thought process is aligned with noted astrophysicist and philosopher extraordinaire Demarcus Cousins.

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    Doing more research on Young and laughing at people that don't want him on the Spurs.

    Young is second in assists per game this season and averages more assists than Luka.

    He's fourth in free throw attempts per game and is better at getting to the line than Jayson Tatum by a one attempt per game.

    He's sixth in double doubles this season and has six more double doubles than Wemby.

    But Young still is just not good enough to play second fiddle to Wemby. No way no how.

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