Fischer: Spurs Repeatedly Mentioned By NBA Figures As Potential Home For Young

[manufan10]

[LeBowen]

Say what you want about him past seasons but for this season your statements are factually incorrect.

My bad about this season, I watched just a few Cavs games.
Still, it's all about the playoffs, we'll see if he keeps the defensive intensity and efficency there.

but you are incorrect in terms of his quality as a player compared to Trae Young especially this season

For me they're in the same tier.
I'd still rather have Trae because of his clearly better playmaking, age and lower salary even though he's also on a max deal.

(Just to be clear following part isn't about you, but some other posters.)

Some people in here tried to push the narrative of Trae being a coach killer and a bad teammate, but on the other hand you have well-do ented Mitc -Gobert feud and him not wanting to stay in neither Utah nor Cleveland.
Why would it be any different with the Spurs, another small market franchise?
Would a 28 year old player on supermax be willing to accept he's not the franchise player and that a 20 year old kid is better?

[RC_Drunkford]

Doing more research on Young and laughing at people that don't want him on the Spurs.

Young is second in assists per game this season and averages more assists than Luka.

He's fourth in free throw attempts per game and is better at getting to the line than Jayson Tatum by a one attempt per game.

He's sixth in double doubles this season and has six more double doubles than Wemby.

But Young still is just not good enough to play second fiddle to Wemby. No way no how.

He's also 11th in steals and has a better defensive rating than Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Cedi Osman, Maliki Branham, Doug McDermott and DeAndre Hunter

[RC_Drunkford]

Anyone wanting Trae Young on the Spurs should take a deep breath, take a very long look in the mirror, and then realize that your thought process is aligned with noted astrophysicist and philosopher extraordinaire Demarcus Cousins.

Anyone who thinks Tim Duncan is Top 5 all time should take a deep breath, take a very long look in the mirror, and then realize that your thought process is aligned with noted astrophysicist and philosopher extraordinaire Demarcus Cousins.

[JPB]

No but an iso is an iso regular season or playoffs. Why would his defense deteriorate.

Uh, no... that's the whole point. POs are another animal entirely, both in intensity and stakes... Everything is up one or two levels, that's where you start to lose a lot of people and really see what players are made of... As long as you're not play off tested, you can't claim anything about it.

[scott]

Some people in here tried to push the narrative of Trae being a coach killer and a bad teammate, but on the other hand you have well-do ented Mitc -Gobert feud and him not wanting to stay in neither Utah nor Cleveland.
Why would it be any different with the Spurs, another small market franchise?
Would a 28 year old player on supermax be willing to accept he's not the franchise player and that a 20 year old kid is better?

Really good points IMO. I think as fans we need to take into account that as a small market franchise we face an additional hurdle to attracting players. Not only do we need the means to acquire (either by trade or FA) players, they also have to want to be here. If Trae really WANTS to be here, then I think that is something that we should heavily take into consideration (though that alone isn't enough, of course).

[scott]

This probably isn't the best place for this - but I found this article on the Timberwolves cap situation interesting and perhaps insightful as to what caution needs to go into team construction.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-n...erwolves-2205/

[rankingtear]

Doing more research on Young and laughing at people that don't want him on the Spurs.

Young is second in assists per game this season and averages more assists than Luka.

He's fourth in free throw attempts per game and is better at getting to the line than Jayson Tatum by a one attempt per game.

He's sixth in double doubles this season and has six more double doubles than Wemby.

But Young still is just not good enough to play second fiddle to Wemby. No way no how.

You just discovered what a heliocentric guard is.

[spurraider21]

He's also 11th in steals and has a better defensive rating than Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Cedi Osman, Maliki Branham, Doug McDermott and DeAndre Hunter

i really dont like defensive rating tbh, its like 80% a team stat. its why you'll find a lot of guys on the same teams clumped together, more or less.

[Spursfanfromafar]

This probably isn't the best place for this - but I found this article on the Timberwolves cap situation interesting and perhaps insightful as to what caution needs to go into team construction.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-n...erwolves-2205/

They aren't going to pay 38 million $ in luxury taxes (the least heavy scenario). And that means they will have to cut one of their key player outside of letting go of Anderson & Morris. I suspect it will be either a trade to give up Jaden McDaniels or giving up on Naz Reid. McDaniels is way overpaid for a defensive specialist and a connector on offense. He isn't optimal for the Spurs at his salary, despite his obvious skillset being a match for the Spurs' needs (strong wing defender). But Naz Reid can be had if the Spurs can pull a trade for Zollins elsewhere.

[MannyIsGod]

Young has to sign an extension this coming year in order to retain Supermax eligibility, right? He's not getting all nba this year since he's now hurt, he didn't get it last year so its my understanding that it has to be signed next year right?

[DAF86]

Are you sure?



His efficency has been on a steady decline since that ridiculous bubble series.
Last two first round exits were embarrassing. Just kept on chucking his team out of both series.



Both him and Trae are streaky scorers. When their shot isn't falling, Trae is still an elite playmaker, while Mitc just keeps chucking.
And Trae is better at drawing fouls.



Most definitely not.
The entire reason why that Utah team failed was Gobert playing 1v5 on defense, with some help from O'Neale and Ingles.
Mitc , Bogdanovic, Conley and Clarkson always got cooked.

He's a ridiculous athlete and should be an elite defender, but he's not even a positive on that end.
He might be better than Trae because he's more athletic, but still a guard that needs to be hidden.



Yeah, he was never on a bad team.
I guess Wemby sucks.



Because they're both shooting guards with questionable defense.
The only way it would work is if we stumble upon the next big thing in point forward role.
Otherwise you'd watch more of point Sochan.

Mitc is a freak athlete that will be in for a rough awakening as soon as his athleticism goes.
And he'll be 28 before the next season start.
For me, the only upside of potentially getting him would be the fact that he'd come as a free agent.
But even then, he'd ask for like 50 million a year, I'm not sure you want to give that to a player who would be 32-33 at the end of his deal.

The stuff you are saying seems to just be your personal observation, while everything I told you is backed up by stats and advanced metrics.

Also, Mitc has played his best as a PG in Garland's absence with the Cavs.

[scott]

Young has to sign an extension this coming year in order to retain Supermax eligibility, right? He's not getting it this year since he's now hurt, he didn't get it last year so its my understanding that it has to be signed next year right?

I don't want to speak for Chinook, who is very well versed on these things, but it appears between the two of us we've narrowed in on the premise that Trae IS eligible for an extension this off-season, but he is NOT eligible for a SuperMax until next off-season (regardless of the qualifying criteria, which he has not met). So, if Trae wants a SuperMax, he'll need to make an All-NBA team next year and sign it with ATL and then he will not be eligible to be traded for one full year until after signing the DPE.

At the end of the day, I don't see a SuperMax in Trae's future. My guess is that he'll sign some kind of 30% extension that expires after his 10th season, when he'll be able to sign a 35% max contract based on tenure.

[LeBowen]

They aren't going to pay 38 million $ in luxury taxes (the least heavy scenario). And that means they will have to cut one of their key player outside of letting go of Anderson & Morris. I suspect it will be either a trade to give up Jaden McDaniels or giving up on Naz Reid. McDaniels is way overpaid for a defensive specialist and a connector on offense. He isn't optimal for the Spurs at his salary, despite his obvious skillset being a match for the Spurs' needs (strong wing defender). But Naz Reid can be had if the Spurs can pull a trade for Zollins elsewhere.

Damn, I didn't realize McDaniels got that much money.
Would be a great fit, but I don't think he's worth the contract.

On the other hand, Reid should be on top of PATFO's list.
Perfect fit next to Wemby and could even play some minutes as backup C.
If there's a chance, they should go for him.

But I still think Timberwolves will try to get rid of KAT if they fail again in the playoffs.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't want to speak for Chinook, who is very well versed on these things, but it appears between the two of us we've narrowed in on the premise that Trae IS eligible for an extension this off-season, but he is NOT eligible for a SuperMax until next off-season (regardless of the qualifying criteria, which he has not met). So, if Trae wants a SuperMax, he'll need to make an All-NBA team next year and sign it with ATL and then he will not be eligible to be traded for one full year until after signing the DPE.

At the end of the day, I don't see a SuperMax in Trae's future. My guess is that he'll sign some kind of 30% extension that expires after his 10th season, when he'll be able to sign a 35% max contract based on tenure.

I see my error, I thought it was 7-9 years of service but its 8 or 9. So yeah, his previous all-NBA will be off the books by the time he meets the years service. Really do wonder if he'll ask out then.

[scott]

I do think the Wolves cap situation does put a bit of a damper of the idea of swapping KAT for Trae, as it just leaves them in the same situation.

[spurraider21]

I don't want to speak for Chinook, who is very well versed on these things, but it appears between the two of us we've narrowed in on the premise that Trae IS eligible for an extension this off-season, but he is NOT eligible for a SuperMax until next off-season (regardless of the qualifying criteria, which he has not met). So, if Trae wants a SuperMax, he'll need to make an All-NBA team next year and sign it with ATL and then he will not be eligible to be traded for one full year until after signing the DPE.

At the end of the day, I don't see a SuperMax in Trae's future. My guess is that he'll sign some kind of 30% extension that expires after his 10th season, when he'll be able to sign a 35% max contract based on tenure.

this is the most likely scenario if he's unsure about staying in atlanta

[Kevin]

I do think the Wolves cap situation does put a bit of a damper of the idea of swapping KAT for Trae, as it just leaves them in the same situation.

That article just makes me want to trade away Dev and Keldon for Trea since their combined price tag next season will about the same as Young.

[spurraider21]

That article just makes me want to trade away Dev and Keldon for Trea since their combined price tag next season will about the same as Young.

keldon + collins gets it done

[Russ]

Haven't followed it that carefully.

Is there any chance Memphis would trade Ja Morant?

(Or would the Spurs even consider him?)

[spurraider21]

Haven't followed it that carefully.

Is there any chance Memphis would trade Ja Morant?

(Or would the Spurs even consider him?)

no and no

[onechance87]

keldon + collins gets it done

doubt atl wants them

[FuzzyLumpkins]

doubt atl wants them

they're great for tanking. they've proven that.

[baseline bum]

Really good points IMO. I think as fans we need to take into account that as a small market franchise we face an additional hurdle to attracting players. Not only do we need the means to acquire (either by trade or FA) players, they also have to want to be here. If Trae really WANTS to be here, then I think that is something that we should heavily take into consideration (though that alone isn't enough, of course).

Yeah the idea that he talks about being a Spurs fan as a kid. How the would we not be getting Trae's best here? Especially next to Victor where he can pump up his assist numbers to the moon and have the media fawning over what a great and unselfish PG he is for feeding the big man.

[mo7888]

Yeah the idea that he talks about being a Spurs fan as a kid. How the would we not be getting Trae's best here? Especially next to Victor where he can pump up his assist numbers to the moon and have the media fawning over what a great and unselfish PG he is for feeding the big man.

Even though I'm not on the Trae bandwagon, I gotta say, that's a legitimate point.