Fischer: Spurs Repeatedly Mentioned By NBA Figures As Potential Home For Young

[baseline bum]

Even though I'm not on the Trae bandwagon, I gotta say, that's a legitimate point.

I guess I think whoever gets the best player usually wins an NBA trade. If Atlanta doesn't dump Young to outright tank there's probably a 25% chance at best either the 25 ATL pick lands you Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey or the 26 ATL swap lands you AJ Dybantsa or Cameron Boozer (or whoever are #1 and #2 at the time of each respective draft). So I think the odds are pretty decent that the Spurs would win a trade of Keldon + Collins + 25 ATL pick + 27 ATL pick and tear up the 26 swap for Young. Unless they can convince Atlanta to take Graham back instead of Keldon, even better. Though they'd have to agree to that by July 1st or they'd tear up Graham's deal that date. Though if Atlanta wants the Spurs 24 pick I'm keeping their 25 unprotected first. The 27 pick is a wildcard though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am curious to see what the 'Spurs market' looks like moving forward. The NBA elites like James and Durant have welcomed him to the Pantheon so to speak already and Adam Silver seems eager to promote Wemby as much as possible. Media generally loves him. Wemby himself as embraced the exposure.

[spurraider21]

doubt atl wants them

the critical pieces going back would be draft picks, not the players

[onechance87]

the critical pieces going back would be draft picks, not the players

Rebuilding teams want expiring contracts.Not trash players with stupid contracts giving to them by there stupid gm.

[spurraider21]

Rebuilding teams want expiring contracts.Not trash players with stupid contracts giving to them by there stupid gm.

rebuilding teams take on bad contracts for picks all the time

[scott]

the critical pieces going back would be draft picks, not the players

If Atlanta is going to enter a hard rebuild phase by getting their picks back, then they'll have no problem taking Keldon and Collins. They can probably move Keldon for some additional future (albeit less valuable, like lotto protected FRP or SRPs) draft capital.

However, if Atlanta views it more like a Toronto-type soft retooling, then sending them Collins is going to require more draft capital their way, in my opinion. Surely, ATL's public and negotiating position will be this one.

This may end up being a critical sticking point, since Collins is kind of required to make salaries work (although I can get it to work with Keldon + Devonte).

[mo7888]

I guess I think whoever gets the best player usually wins an NBA trade. If Atlanta doesn't dump Young to outright tank there's probably a 25% chance at best either the 25 ATL pick lands you Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey or the 26 ATL swap lands you AJ Dybantsa or Cameron Boozer (or whoever are #1 and #2 at the time of each respective draft). So I think the odds are pretty decent that the Spurs would win a trade of Keldon + Collins + 25 ATL pick + 27 ATL pick and tear up the 26 swap for Young. Unless they can convince Atlanta to take Graham back instead of Keldon, even better. Though they'd have to agree to that by July 1st or they'd tear up Graham's deal that date. Though if Atlanta wants the Spurs 24 pick I'm keeping their 25 unprotected first. The 27 pick is a wildcard though.

I'm not sure I'd give that much, but it's closer to reality than some of the trades I've seen on here. I'd probably have to think long and hard if that's on the table.

*and no, I'm not bending over to see 'long and hard' lol

[LeBowen]

My ideal scenario would be Keldon+Collins+Hawks picks for Trae, one more first rounder for Naz Reid and a SF in the draft.
I'd also offer a short deal to Tobias Harris, I don't think Sixers are keeping him.
Something like 50/2. Maybe 60/3.

Trae/Tre
Devin/veteran shooter
rookie/Jeremy
Tobias/Reid
Wemby/Barlow

Reid and Jeremy could slide a position down or Tobias could move up with Reid starting ahead of rookie.
Wouldn't need a veteran shooter if we get the Raptors pick, but I don't think it happens.

Wesley, Branham, Cissoko and Champagnie as third stringers. Bassey too if he recovers.

Easily a play-in team with no own picks traded away.

[scott]

25% is the absolutely best case scenario for us holding those picks, but as others have mentioned, Atlanta isn't going to just tank in order to let us get a chance at more high end talent. The only way they are tanking is if they get their picks back. You basically need some sort of catastrophic injury to happen for us to get top odds in 25/26, and I'm not sadistic enough to root for that.

[mo7888]

25% is the absolutely best case scenario for us holding those picks, but as others have mentioned, Atlanta isn't going to just tank in order to let us get a chance at more high end talent. The only way they are tanking is if they get their picks back. You basically need some sort of catastrophic injury to happen for us to get top odds in 25/26, and I'm not sadistic enough to root for that.

That's the best case for CF. I hope we don't trade or hold based on that hopeful outcome. I think a top 10 outcome or contrasting an Atl trade with other potential trades is how it should be viewed.

[CGD]

Much is being made about the lakers waiting until the summer so they can throw 3 picks at ATL. Makes me wonder what WOULD be the Lakers best offer for Trae this summer?

[Mugen]

Much is being made about the lakers waiting until the summer so they can throw 3 picks at ATL. Makes me wonder what WOULD be the Lakers best offer for Trae this summer?

Combination of Reaves/Hachimura/D'Lo + all of the 1st rounders they'd have available.

Whatever it is, the Spurs could easily beat it IF they wanted.

[CGD]

Combination of Reaves/Hachimura/D'Lo + all of the 1st rounders they'd have available.

Whatever it is, the Spurs could easily beat it IF they wanted.

I was thinking more picks. Looks like it all hinges on whether the PELS opt to take the Lakers’ 2024 or 2025 FRP (they have an option at one but not both). I assume giving the “crappiness” of this draft that the PELs defer to 2025, which means Lakers can likely max out at sending out:

2024 FRP
2029 FRP
2030 FRP (swap)
2031 FRP

Not bad but they probably want some picks sooner.

[exstatic]

They aren't going to pay 38 million $ in luxury taxes (the least heavy scenario). And that means they will have to cut one of their key player outside of letting go of Anderson & Morris. I suspect it will be either a trade to give up Jaden McDaniels or giving up on Naz Reid. McDaniels is way overpaid for a defensive specialist and a connector on offense. He isn't optimal for the Spurs at his salary, despite his obvious skillset being a match for the Spurs' needs (strong wing defender). But Naz Reid can be had if the Spurs can pull a trade for Zollins elsewhere.

Jaden is MUCH more of a need filler than Naz. A defender/connector who shoots 36% from downtown? Yes, please.

[exstatic]

Haven't followed it that carefully.

Is there any chance Memphis would trade Ja Morant?

(Or would the Spurs even consider him?)

After being suspended, he went and did the same stupid again for a second suspension. The next one, which isn’t at unlikely because he’s stupid, would be for a year. Waaaay too much baggage.

[spurraider21]

Jaden is MUCH more of a need filler than Naz. A defender/connector who shoots 36% from downtown? Yes, please.

the sad state of the spurs when you look at somebody shooting 36% from three (below average in the nba now), and thinking its a good figure that warrants a "Yes, please"

[DAF86]

I guess I think whoever gets the best player usually wins an NBA trade. If Atlanta doesn't dump Young to outright tank there's probably a 25% chance at best either the 25 ATL pick lands you Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey or the 26 ATL swap lands you AJ Dybantsa or Cameron Boozer (or whoever are #1 and #2 at the time of each respective draft). So I think the odds are pretty decent that the Spurs would win a trade of Keldon + Collins + 25 ATL pick + 27 ATL pick and tear up the 26 swap for Young. Unless they can convince Atlanta to take Graham back instead of Keldon, even better. Though they'd have to agree to that by July 1st or they'd tear up Graham's deal that date. Though if Atlanta wants the Spurs 24 pick I'm keeping their 25 unprotected first. The 27 pick is a wildcard though.

I can be bought into the idea of trading for Young, but no way I'm giving any of the Atlanta picks back.

[exstatic]

the sad state of the spurs when you look at somebody shooting 36% from three (below average in the nba now), and thinking its a good figure that warrants a "Yes, please"

He makes $2M more than Keldon, and is a much better fit. He also shot 40% from long last year, and would get open looks playing off Wemby.

[spurraider21]

He makes $2M more than Keldon, and is a much better fit. He also shot 40% from long last year, and would get open looks playing off Wemby.

i like mcdaniels

[Frenchfred]

Yeah the idea that he talks about being a Spurs fan as a kid. How the would we not be getting Trae's best here? Especially next to Victor where he can pump up his assist numbers to the moon and have the media fawning over what a great and unselfish PG he is for feeding the big man.

And then ask for an extension for 35% of the cap, which with Wemby’s contract and Vassel pretty much guarantees that the rest of the team will be crap

[scott]

And then ask for an extension for 35% of the cap, which with Wemby’s contract and Vassel pretty much guarantees that the rest of the team will be crap

Just sharing some facts: as discussed, Trae won't be able to ask for a 35% extension from the Spurs until he is a 10-year vet. Until then, if he did get a new 30% extension, as discussed here, the three of Wemby-Trae-Vassell would be less than 60% of the projected cap until Wemby's extension kicks in the 2027-28 season. If that happened, and Devin was performing at a level to earn a 140% extension, the three of them would combine for between 70-75% of the projected cap for two seasons until Trae's extension expired. By comparison, the Celtics Top-4 salaries (Tatum-Brown-Holiday-Kristaps) account for 101% of this year's cap and 109% of next year's. The Nuggets big 3 (Jokic-Murray-MPJ) are 84% of this year's cap, 87% of next.

70-75% is manageable. Whether or not Trae-Wemby-Vassell are the right players is another question...

[baseline bum]

I can be bought into the idea of trading for Young, but no way I'm giving any of the Atlanta picks back.

Branham and Zollins, get it done RC

[offset formation]

Just sharing some facts: as discussed, Trae won't be able to ask for a 35% extension from the Spurs until he is a 10-year vet. Until then, if he did get a new 30% extension, as discussed here, the three of Wemby-Trae-Vassell would be less than 60% of the projected cap until Wemby's extension kicks in the 2027-28 season. If that happened, and Devin was performing at a level to earn a 140% extension, the three of them would combine for between 70-75% of the projected cap for two seasons until Trae's extension expired. By comparison, the Celtics Top-4 salaries (Tatum-Brown-Holiday-Kristaps) account for 101% of this year's cap and 109% of next year's. The Nuggets big 3 (Jokic-Murray-MPJ) are 84% of this year's cap, 87% of next.

70-75% is manageable. Whether or not Trae-Wemby-Vassell are the right players is another question...

Good follow up post.

[baseline bum]

I'm not sure I'd give that much, but it's closer to reality than some of the trades I've seen on here. I'd probably have to think long and hard if that's on the table.

*and no, I'm not bending over to see 'long and hard' lol

Can't see getting Young for anything less than that. I'd love to swap the Atlanta '27 pick or the Atlanta '26 swap with the Chicago '25 pick but don't think the Hawks would go for it.

[CorrectCrusader]

I just want Wemby with another good player, is that so much to ask for?