They can have the fake first from Charlotte too if they want. Not the Spurs fault they badly overpaid for Murray. Hachimura is a replacement level player, it's abundantly clear the Hawks have already shown they wanted no part of Russell, and Reaves plus some crap picks is nowhere near as valuable as being able to control their drafts and tank when there look to be franchise guys in consecutive years. Towns won't win them , Minnesota didn't go anywhere until Ant.
-Keldon, Collins and give Atlanta their picks back for Trae.
-Sign Miles Bridges in free agency (I don't know if this is even possible or how much of a pipe dream it is).
-Draft Risacher and Sheppard.
Trae
Vassell
Risacher
Miles Bridges
Wemby
Sheppard
Champagnie
McDermott (resign for cheap, if not try to get a veteran 3pt shooter)
Sochan
Barlow
Third stringers: Tre, Wesley, Branham, Mamu, Bassey
I don't know how good this would actually be.
This was done for years, but the second the Spurs leveraged it with Brent Barry, the league outlawed it. A traded player now cannot re-sign with the trading team for a year.
Trae also doesnt make sense with Minnesota considering what Edwards is becoming, and their defensive iden y. The potential Towns/Trae swap was always predicated on Minnesota faceplanting again like they did last year, but they've really turned a corner, and Conley has been perfect for them
I'd be curious how the Hawks look in the next couple weeks. They looked pretty good last 2 games albeit small sample size against very questionable compe ion. But their defense has certainly looked much better.
1) If they actually start looking better without him, Atlanta might have a lot more stomach to trade Trae this summer
2) If they actually start looking better without him, does that at all change your opinion of how he would benefit this team?
DJM and Young are a horrible fit together on offense which negatively impacts the entire team. It doesn't factor into how much I value Young as he and Wemby would be perfect on offense and Wemby projects to be a GOAT level defender who can offset Young's defensive woes. Its such a no brainer.
Wrong, again, as per usual. The restriction is that a team may not resign a player they traded who was then bought-out, waived or released (like Brent Barry was). There is nothing preventing the Spurs from resigning FA Doug McDermott this summer. It's the same situation as the discussion of the Spurs potentially going after Jak this past offseason.
Here is a cool website where you can look up stuff like this before posting: www.google.com
Q101 of the CBA Faq for this who like actually knowing what they are talking about before posting: https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101
Young was either unable or unwilling to learn to play off-ball more, which is something Curry perfected while still maintaining "lead guard" status. Alas, Young/Murray was doomed.
Also, for all the people worried about Trae's trade kicker... trade bonuses are paid by the team trading away the player. Nothing for the Spurs to worry about there, other than Atlanta may seek additional compensation since they'll have to eat what I calculate to be about $12MM, which is not insignificant.
https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q99
The trade kicker does create an issue though, in that the salary + the kicker counts as incoming salary for the Spurs for matching purposes, but only the salary counts as outgoing salary (if I am reading Q100 correctly). With that said, I could pretty easily make it work in the Spotrac trade machine, I'm not sure if they have Kicker logic built in though. I might send Keith Smith a tweet and ask him.
Edit: Had my kicker calcs wrong on the first post
Last edited by scott; 02-28-2024 at 04:25 PM.
Cissoko is still on the roster unless they cut him despite all his guarantees
I dont think they bring Mamu back. They seem to have no interest in playing him despite having no other natural PF on the roster outside Sochan
if the spurs are able to secure Trae while the only picks they give back are just undoing the Murray trade (not sure if you meant to include the Charlotte pick as part of that or not, but either way), then i feel like its pretty hard to pass that up, since in that scenario the spurs still have all of their own picks, the excess pick from Toronto which they'd use for Sheppard, an excess pick on the way from Chicago, and 2028 and 2030 swaps with boston/dallas... while already having their big duo that they need to build around in addition to vassell.
bridges on paper would be great, but yeah, i have no clue how any nba team is going to approach him, let alone the "muh culture" spurs
Really, i didnt appreciate it was that high. Thought that it was half that even after cutting Graham, Bassey, Champaigne, but i could be using a crappy tool.
If Trae wants to leave, I think theyd take Collins without the Spurs needing to add more. If fact, the best thing that could happen for those wanting Trae in San Antonio, if for the player to start exerting pressure on the Hawks. They're gonna be in a crappy position of having to keep the unhappy player, or sending him to a team that wont be able to given them the picks in return to start their rebuild immediately.
I think this gets it done: Keldon/Collins + Bulls FRP + least favorable of Spurs/Hawks 2025 + least favorable of Spurs/Hawks 2027
I would like to see them hang onto the ‘25 Hawks pick, but offer their own ‘25 pick, Chicagos ‘25, the Hawks ‘26 and undo the swap. Throw in KJ or DV.
The Spurs can sign McD during this season if released. They can sign him this summer after his contract is up.
I know you are terrible with things like basic reading comprehension and critical analysis, but try to follow along:
Stanley Johnson was traded in August 2022 to the Jazz. The Jazz then waived him. That means that the Lakers could not resign Johnson until the one-year anniversary of the trade or July 1 following the end of the contract that was waived.
- A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.
Your dedication to being completely owned over easily verifiable information is amazing.
Thank you for posting this. I received some bad information here at ST.
Because their own picks are a loss leader at this point. Trae is worth what he's worth and whatever that is now, it'll be less next year and they know it. For them, it comes down to 'is it better to keep him and pay the supermax and build around a guy that has them as the 10th worse team in the league with no draft assets or move him for good draft assets and start over?' Then they have to consider how that equation changes when Trae gets disgruntled (and that will happen)? How much more will his stock drop then? They are in a precarious spot.
Last edited by mo7888; 02-28-2024 at 04:52 PM.
why are people arguing with exstatic ? The guy doesn't even know the NBA standings and just talks out of his ass all the time
A Trae + AD Lakers team will have crap picks though, even if LeBron retires. I don't see why the Hawks should be so eager to tank just to make the Spurs picks better when all they get is late firsts and crap matching salaries out of the deal.
I agree, but i don't think its a matter of them tanking or not. That team with Trae is bottom 10? Without Trae that team is bottom 5? That's not a ton of difference either way. So would they prefer to be bottom 5 with the lakers picks or bottom 10 with no picks?
I'm not predicting what they will do or stating an opinion on what they should do. I'm just saying they're in a precarious situation...
Spurs got plenty of options to get Trae. It’s gonna be the Hawks’ ego that doesn’t get it done. Even Hawks fans know Spurs have the most to give and don’t want ego getting in the way of a good deal. Get Trae and then get a 3/D wing from trades or from the draft and we’re set. With Trae, we’re a play-in team minimum next year.
A crap picks for Trae Young deal will always be there for them though, so no reason for them to rush into it. The urgency would be for them to get their pick(s) back from the Spurs this summer so they could tank for Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey.
Last edited by baseline bum; 02-28-2024 at 11:10 PM.
Agreed, and that urgency gives us leverage..
Imo, either Spurs give Hawks their picks back or Trae goes somewhere else.
There's 0% chance Hawks would accept the embarrassment of Spurs having both their picks and Trae, even if it meant they get a weaker deal somewhere else.
On the other hand, noone can compete with the Spurs if PATFO actually wants Trae.
As already said many times, Hawks don't have an incentive to tank without owning their picks, meaning that the chance of getting a top3 pick are extremely low.
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