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2019-20 Spurs MPG
Bryn - 25.1
Patty - 22.5
Lonnie - 16.2
Total - 63.8
2023-24 Spurs MPG
Tre - 26.2
Malaki - 20.3
Blake - 13.2
Total - 59.7
Not a huge difference in the minutes.
I know a lot of you guys are old so don’t act millennials
2019-20 Spurs MPG
Bryn - 25.1
Patty - 22.5
Lonnie - 16.2
Total - 63.8
2023-24 Spurs MPG
Tre - 26.2
Malaki - 20.3
Blake - 13.2
Total - 59.7
Not a huge difference in the minutes.
I invite you to watch the media day ITVs to learn about Wemby's ( and the overall team's) goals and ambitions for this year...
Hint 1: Not being the laugh of the league.
Hint 2: Believeing they can make the POs.
IMO, Wemby was really not expecting this mess. And more importantly, and to the point, won't be OK with that for another year.
There’s a world between “not very good” and “historically bad”
And ffs, we're not talking about a team full of rookie teens who are discovering the NBA here:
Devin is 23
Keldon is 24
Tre is 24.
Zach is 26...
Jeremy is in his second year.
That team shouldn't suck like that, come on. Some people talk about patience like this roster was playing their first NBA games. Are they supposed to start winning games in their late 20's then win a ship in their 30's when Pop won't remember their names?
Honestly, I was not excluding any of the context you have provided here. The team's situation isn't too complex to understand. It's gonna be like this until we stumble upon our Jwill and Timothy Chalomet and whoever other Top-of-the-draft players are on that OKC team that is finally decent again.I guess, I am a bit more patient that there is vision compared to being in no mans land with Lonnie, Forbes, Mills, Derozan and Lyles for a a few years
We can intellectually understand that and still be like, "yo, that was ing garbage holy "
I get it. I was 9 years old once too, but at some point, you gotta be like, "am I not too old to act like an edgy 4chan poster?" lmaoooo
Last edited by tim_duncan_fan; 02-28-2024 at 05:50 PM.
There’s really nothing salvageable on this team other than Wemby. There are decent pieces such as Vassell but I don’t think he fits with Wemby.
There’s really just two groups of players: trade or cut
Tradable players are:
sochan (some people probably still might not know he sucks yet)
vassell (he’s worth two second round picks to a team looking for a Tim Haraway clone)
jones (someone might mistake him for his better brother and give up a second rounder for him)
The rest of the team is the trash pile and should be cut and burned safely.
We are all stuck watching this god-awful product because the spurs are just terrible terrible drafters. Let’s look at the 2022 draft.
At 9 they drafted Sochan when they could have had a star in Jalen Williams. On the bright side at least they didn’t draft Johnny Davis.
At 20 they drafted Branham when they could have Walter Kessler. But instead they had already signed Zollins. So mistake on top of mistake.
At 25 they drafted Wesley when they could have drafted Nicola Jokic. But at least they didn’t draft Wesley - oh never mind.
Pick 38 was their very best pick this year, the pick they traded away for cash, good ole cash!
Anyway, just wanted to say this team is going to suck until they change management and coaching. They need to sign some young and fresh GMs and coaches and start fresh. Until then they will be one of the worst teams in the league. Everything about this team feels old and dated to the core.
I respect your opinion that he was not expecting this mess.
I think that he was told once he got into the locker room that it's going to be a rough year or two tbh.
McCuckDonald asked him a question last night if it motivates him that OKC and Minnesota were awful teams at one point, and now they are on the top of the conference. Wemby understood that it can take years to get back on top and it's inspiring to him when that happens.
He has only dealt with one awful year compared to the last seven "awful" years we have gone through
Last edited by Ditty; 02-28-2024 at 08:11 PM.
I lhink Jones literally just didn't see him and had already decided where the ball was going by the time Wemby entered his field of visionyou see, wemby wasn't actually open there, because...
Losing is still losing at the end of the day. Maybe Bilal is telling him that Washington is even worse
Lebron was 27 years old and Jordan was 28 years old when they won their first championship. 2031 NBA Champions might be worth the wait :p
Wemby not understanding what was going to happen doesn't mean it's everyone else's fault that it did happen. A 19-year-old phenom who's been able to dominate at every level and who's being called the future GOAT isn't going to have modest expectations of his rookie season. I'm sure he didn't think most decent centers would body him in his rookie season. In fact, he suggested on multiple occasions that he'd play the four or three in the NBA. That's what happens when you're asking an inexperienced kid to predict the future. I'm sure most of us didn't know how college would go as teens and didn't know how working life would be when were were in college. Wemby having lofty expectations that haven't been met isn't weird or concerning. The question is: How does he evaluate the situation now? Does he understand his own need to grow or does he believe he's there and everyone else just needs to catch up? Hopefully he appreciates the difference in his situation versus, say, Chet's isn't just a matter of him having to endure losses. He has the opportunity to turn the ball over as much as he wants or take bad shots, and no one really care because the team sucks. He has an opportunity to learn what parts of his game translate, need work, or are best left on the cutting room floor with zero expectations on him from the organization. That can't last forever and shouldn't. But there's a lot of good that can come from a sandbox season if he embraces it.
MannyIsGod was quite offended that I dared talk about the unrealistic expectations Wemby has to be great right away, but there are definitely folks who have placed those expectations on him. Victor himself is chief among them, but there are media members and fans who can't rationalize how a GOAT prospect can't lead his team to more wins and are trying to hold this against his legacy as if he's prime Kobe missing the playoffs. It doesn't matter whether they blame Victor, the roster, Pop or anyone else. The expectation itself was always unfair and it needs to be withdrawn. That's why Pop said what he said about Jordan and Jokic. Whether it was what fans wanted to hear is almost irrelevant, because it's what Wemby may need to understand in order to not let the expectations drown him.
How old was CIA Popped when he coatailed Duncan and co. in the 2014 Championship?
NBA- Larry Brown, Detroit Pistons 2004 Championship, Age 63
Define old.I know a lot of you guys are old so don’t act millennials
I agree with this 100000% that this season has likely been a large slap in the face to Wemby. No way he imagined being on the conference's worst team. No way.
I'd also venture to guess his patience starts running very short very early into next season with a similarly frustrating start. He ain't gonna put up with this forever.
- you don’t believe what u just wrote, losing at an all time high, being worse than last season with him added isn’t the same than a soft tank losing here and there.Losing is still losing at the end of the day. Maybe Bilal is telling him that Washington is even worse
- Bilal isn’t in his situation nor has his the same ambition. Bilal being 7th pick is already a ridiculous achievement that put his familly safe. He’s not in a rush
- the pb isn’t the losses or the process that was expected even by the worst critics, the issue is with what personnel it’s happening. Rarely if never (no ref tbh) an NBA team has had less talent and experience.
let’s not act like having an NBA team full of average youngster is a classic development model like some of you are doing in a surreal condescending way.
Wemby’s expectations (from his own words) was to simply win more games than last year. I didn’t realize this bar was so unachievably high.
Right? Are we questioning the dude being frustrated on one of the worst teams of all time? I'm not convinced that any team with Wemby on it - even 19 year old raw as Wemby - should be this bad.
They were 15-47 this time a year ago just coming off a 17 game losing streak. It would make sense to be better adding a "generational talent", I get that. Outside of Vassell, the rest of the team has been underwhelming after Sochan, Branham and Keldon looked like possible rotational pieces and the only other significant piece was adding Cedi this offseason. We knew since TC that they wanted to evaluate their guys coming off a bad season.
Just because Wemby mentioned that he would like to win a championship soon when the Spurs won the lottery means that he is in a rush? He gets it that the league is tough. SE mentions on the broadcast multiple times how these young players don't realize how tough and fast the NBA actually is coming into the league.
What did you realistically want them to do this past offseason for them to be in a better situation? They are not trading 20 year old players anytime soon. If they want to get rid of Keldon and Zach this offseason, then that's fine as we are seeing close to their ceilings. They were at least two off-season's away from being playoff contenders once they got Wemby, and if you think otherwise you were lying to yourself.
I think a bunch of people, myself included, thought they could be on that 10 or 11 spot fighting for the play in...and quite frankly I don't think that's an unreasonable prediction given the generational talent we had coming in. What's clearly missing in all our assessments is the utter failure of those teammates around him and their clear inability to man people up so that they aren't run off the floor night in and out.
I agree with ur “2 off-season” timeline and again my point was that they went a bit radical in their strategy. I for ex don’t understand the absence of veterans more than anything else. It leads me to think PATFO thought it wasn’t an necessity and/or that the staff could compensate it.
There’s a sort of lack of humility in their strategy, it’s never been done ever that way and their narrative is basically “we’re doing the logical/smart thing…” when there’s no reference of development without veterans for ex.
as for what should they have done last summer, I don’t have names in mind and it’s not my job but it wasn’t about going for Lillard at all but more a profile like Brogdon for ex
I get the (reasonable) handicap on Wemby to force him work on his fundamentals instead of just going for lobs, but we’re in a situation where the roster is so bad that he can’t even get simple passes as we again saw yesterday.
How is spending his time screening making him a better player?
There’s levels and PATFO went too extreme
Not going to lie, it has been outright painful to watch the spurs of late. I can handle the losses, but the lack of compe iveness is pitiful. Simply taking care of the ball would give them a chance to compete, but when you turn the ball over nine times in a quarter, you don't even give yourself a chance. being behind by 20 midway through the second quarter is just horrid.
I am trying to make sense of how a year ago they were a "better" team without Wemby and it is puzzling to me except maybe that teams get up for them due to Wemby, whereas last year teams just didn't care. Mix in some of the terrible rotations and Colins struggling most of the year and it starts to make sense.
I'm going to keep watching and hoping for another Toronto style game.
So wait because the spurs didn’t draft the absolutely best player in their draft position, they are god awful? I’d say all 30 teams in the league have God awful GMs because they didn’t hit a 100.
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