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Trae in the top right with Dev bottom left.
Trae in the top right with Dev bottom left.
Thanks for sharing, this is pretty insightful and reinforcing to the general belief that Trae would benefit everyone on the floor (perhaps especially Devin), not just Wemby. The difference between their Trae and our Tre is the delta you'd potentially be acquiring. Depending on what you believe a PG "job is" - you can't really do better than this. Luka, Trae and Hali stand in a league of their own.
And unless I'm missing something in this chart, crazy that Victor is who creates the highest quality (and the only above average) looks on our team
Is this why he shoots 44% and averages 4 TOs for his career?
Chris Paul is what I see when I watch Trae, the way he orchestrates the floor on offense. That type of player not only makes the offense life easier but makes the opposing teams lives more difficult. That's constant pressure on the other team when you have someone like that picking you apart.
People watch highlights and think they know ball. Trae is without a doubt one of the best PGs in the NBA. There isn't many in that top tier. He's one of them. He's a compe or and he's not afraid of the moment. He won't get rattled. He's a dawg in crunch time. Spurs need that too.
If nothing else, it would guarantee spurs never see the ball in keldons hands at the end of a close game again. That alone is worth a couple first round picks tbh.
I think CP3 is a decent comp, except that he generally has much better impact stats, better shooting %s, is a much better defender, and has a better assist-to-turnover rate.... and even with these improvements on Trae's weaknesses, CP3 has still been unable to win a championship, despite having lots of talented teammates... because his archetype has trouble winning NBA les.
This isn't accurate, the winning in the NBA part.
Steph is the only PG that wins a championship because of him. Every other PG was 2nd or 3rd on impact no matter their role.
In past 30+ years, their has been 12 different teams win. Superstars win championships and everyone else loses. The archetype of the PG definitely doesn't play that big of a role.
Go watch the hawks last few games. That team looks worse than the team that got Wembanyama last year and they have Murray on it.
CP3 defense is the big difference between those two. CP3 was someone you wanted on a lead guard at the end of games. Just a great defender. To his credit, even with the horrible team he has, Trae has been a decent defender this year and his IQ gets his hands on plays.
When it comes to game managing, I see the rare ability that CP3 has to completely control the pace of the game.
No, he hasn't. He actually has been one of the worst in the entire league if you look at the metrics.
I don't mean the general archetype of a lead PG-- I'm specifically referring to an undersized PG. When the Suns lost to Milwaukee in the finals, the Bucks would work a switch to get Paul on a taller player over and over again-- and he's generally considered a "good" defender, as opposed to Trae.
I agree with you that generally superstars are the engines that lead to championships, but historically often the big "stars" and even MVPs who don't win les are either smaller in general, or undersized for their position. Duncan, KG, Dirk, Shaq, Lebron, Kawhi, etc., won a ton of championships. CP3, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley (short for a PF) and John Stockton combined for zero, and i don't think the reason for that can be entirely written off as bad luck or unfortunate cir stances.
Locked on Hawks guy talks about Trae adding something new to his game each year. To him, this year, the obvious focus and improvement is on the defensive side of the ball. He's not like a plus defender or even a good defender now. But he recons Trae has improved to like a 40% defender, up from bottom 10% league wide historically. This would track with some other anecdotal stuff from JJ's podcast and a couple other spots I've run across, talking about Trae being much more of a pest on defense this season. If he continues to care/improve on D, pair him with Wemby, and we'll be fine on that side of the ball.
I know the idea of getting Young now is tempting and would immediately make our team a lot better, but the problem comes when we have to start trully fighting for championships. That's where all these flaws by Young get amplified and exposed.
I really don't want to commit to this guy being Wemby's Robin, tbh.
He gets to the line a lot and doesn’t miss from there so his TS is still good.
also has never played with anybody who has anything resembling Wembys gravity. Closest is John collins
Yeah it's gonna be totally awesome to see Trae jack step-back bombs from five feet beyond the 3-point line while Wemby rolls open for a dunk. Just no way. I'd still consider Dejounte, not Trae. I don't think the FO will be interested either.
The real question is what should Atlanta do. In order to move ahead as a franchise, they need to get rid of Trae Young. There are two problems with this:
1. They cannot rebuild with the Spurs owning their picks.
2. No one really wants Trae Young.
The first can be changed if they get some draft capital for 2025-2027. Toronto got Indiana's pick this year in the Siakam package which helps if they lose their own pick.
The second has a short list. Los Angeles Lakers, possibly the Wizards, and Spurs fans. I see no obvious other destinations. The problem is this guy lowers your ceiling. You're not going anywhere with him. The Wizards might be interested in an all-chuck team to get butts in the seats. Poole, Young, and Kuzma stealing the ball from each other to shoot would be amazing. But the new Wizards regime seems too smart for this.
That leaves the Lakers, who might be desperate to add him. This would be incredible, as it basically freezes the Lakers with the play-in at best for the foreseeable future. At best, because that's where they're mired and LeBron will soon be gone. That would be awesome.
I think the Hawks are actually desperate to get rid of him, but can't right now because of that Dejounte trade and because there aren't any suitors.
Lakers will definitely make a lowball offer.
Two teams other than the Spurs that will most likely be interested are Utah and Orlando.
They have the assets and he's a decent fit.
They can make all the offers they want. The Hawks are not going to tank trading away their best player without their picks.
Did I say they would tank?
I've been repeating over and over that there's no way we get top5 selections from those Hawks picks unless we get extremely unlucky because they won't have an incentive to tank if they don't own their picks.
Conveniently left out the fact that Paul has had a litany of injuries in the playoffs and the only time he wasn't the best player on his team in his prime was from '17-'19 with the Rockets (something Young wouldn't have to worry about).
In '18, if not for his injury at the conclusion of game 5 while up 3-2, they might well have eliminated the Durant Warriors.
In '19, there was a rift between him and Harden.
Golden boy has never gotten the job done without unprecedented opponent injury luck and begging one of the two best players who was clearly better than him at the time to join his team.
Trading Young = tanking. They are not going to make trades with anyone- including the Lakers- but the Spurs because we have their picks uniquely..
They should want to tank.
Tanking = trying to get top3 odds in the draft.
It depends.They are not going to make trades with anyone
This won't happen, but since Ainge loves to do weird , what if for example Utah wants to tank and decides to try for a 3 team trade?
Trae to Orlando, Markkanen to Hawks and picks to Utah.
Hawks - don't want to tank without their picks.
Orlando - have assets, point guard needed.
Utah - Ainge loves to tank and play mad scientist.
Hawks would maybe even get better because of DJ/Trae not being a good fit.
Again, it won't happen, but if Hawks can get some players that would be a better fit, they could still compete.
They're a treadmill franchise and their ownership would be happy with first round exits as long as the attendance is good.
Again, they are already a bottom 10 team. Trading away Young will get them in the bottom 5.
They are not going to trade away Young and give us a top 5 pick for the next few years. If they want to trade with Orlando or the Lakers then more power to them. We just got several top 5 picks.
Whatever, I'm done.
It's like talking to a wall with some of you in here.
There are to many variables to just conclude that Atlanta won't trade Trae 'anywhere except SA'. If things get toxic they can't keep him. Keeping us from getting a top 5 pick isn't going to be their primary concern. Those picks are a lost leader at this point and they are doing to do whatever they think makes them better. If a loser team like the Wizards offers unprotected firsts they'll move him because those picks are more valuable than their own (or at least have a chance to be).
To many variables...
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