Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[spurraider21]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

do you get annoyed when people tell other people to shoot themselves in the head?

[Splits]

Players don’t tank. They’re playing for contracts. Front offices tank

Exactly. If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play 10 games after recovery, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.

[Splits]

How does the racism of this not deserve ridicule?

Oh stfu. Nig is a term of endearment if you had any idea how to contextualize.

https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nig

[vy65]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a load of it and it deserves to be attacked.

Then what the actual are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that ing stupid?

[Ariel]

Exactly. If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play 10 games after recovery, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.

Barnes' injury usually takes 30-40 days, and it's been reported he might even require surgery. That alone covers the remainder of the season, him not coming back isn't a sign they're tanking at all, but rather that they have the common sense not to expose their best player to reaggravate his injury when they have nothing to play for.

[Splits]

Barnes' injury usually takes 30-40 days, and it's been reported he might even require surgery. That alone covers the remainder of the season, him not coming back isn't a sign they're tanking at all, but rather that they have the common sense not to expose their best player to reaggravate his injury when they have nothing to play for.

Sure. It was just an example, albeit a lazy one. Let me rephrase:

If TOR shuts down Barnes for the season even though he could play fully healthy 10 games after recovery, yet they can still make the play-in, that's tanking. But the idea seems lost on many.

[Splits]

Then what the actual are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that ing stupid?

[NASpurs]

Then what the actual are you doing on an online message board for a top-three worst team in the league? In your supposed 20 years on this forum, did you honestly expect positivity? Are you really that ing stupid?

[onechance87]

poeltl and brown out tommrow for raptors...Really need for memphs to lose tonight.

[KobesAchilles]

Funny how Body gets tired of us saying that Branham and Collins suck and not tired of those two actually sucking.
Dude comes to Spurstalk and is complaining about us not being happy with sucking. Somehow he’s ok with us sucking and being 3rd worst in the league. Idk how

[T Park]

Funny how Body gets tired of us saying that Branham and Collins suck and not tired of those two actually sucking.
Dude comes to Spurstalk and is complaining about us not being happy with sucking. Somehow he’s ok with us sucking and being 3rd worst in the league. Idk how

Us?

[T Park]

The reason why the Spurs are so poor is not because of the draft, but because every single player that gets any playing time is under 23 years old and most of them under 20 and barely have any experience. They have little notion of how to win certain aspects of the game, they're getting so much wrong and the whole team is having to learn together.

When you have strong vets, this is completely different. Instead of five guys making mistakes you may have one, and the others can cover for that player in that situation.

When you have five mistake makers on the floor at all times, it's incredibly hard to get it all worked out. Add to the mix sort of pausing everything to figure one anic player out, and the fact that the roster is missing parts anyway.

Last year at this time the guys balling out were Sandro and Julian, both of whom have fallen completely off.

The team might do well to pick up strong vets in FA but it's unlikely to happen. A trade or two might happen. But ultimately the improvement will and has to largely come internally and by building collective and individual knowledge.

while I agree with a lot of this, you have to sign and upgrade the bench.

trades free agent however, the growth the team has shown Is beyond evident.

add in two more lottery picks, you have to upgrade the bench and you have to be a playoff team next year. you can't keep winning 20 and below

[T Park]

Stop it

Why do you have an at ude that your opinion is the only one that is correct.

Good christ, the lightning from the sky shall strike at any minute......

[T Park]

No one has a bigger swing and a miss record in their ty amateur analysis than you. You're a ing got through and through.

ah more phobic childishness still here after I've been gone for a while.

awesome stuff. keep torpedoing the rep of the message board guys youre doing great.

[T Park]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a load of it and it deserves to be attacked.

because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of en led dumbass birds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

[vy65]

because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of en led dumbass birds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

This is such a monumentally re ed take. The fans pay for the team - they buy tickets, merch, league pass subscriptions, etc... Without them paying for the product, the product wouldn't exist. If they're not happy with the product that they're paying for, they're 100% en led to and moan and complain.

This refrain is such a boomer-esque reaction that is completely out of touch with reality.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

because the Spurs fanbase has become a giant amount of en led dumbass birds who haven't the first clue of how a rebuild is run because they have never had to experience it.

yeah there was no rebuilding into champions 1997-2014.

[LeBowen]

This is such a monumentally re ed take. The fans pay for the team - they buy tickets, merch, league pass subscriptions, etc... Without them paying for the product, the product wouldn't exist. If they're not happy with the product that they're paying for, they're 100% en led to and moan and complain.

This refrain is such a boomer-esque reaction that is completely out of touch with reality.

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't it up?

[spurraider21]

[slick'81]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't it up?

if wembys as good as we all think he is then even drunk burford can probably pull a compe ive team outta his gin bottle for a while

[onechance87]

wonder if they gonna get a deal done with iq...Would of liked him for us.

[onechance87]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't it up?

Well damn

[vy65]

While it's true that we never had to experience a rebuild, I wonder why is he so sure that PATFO know what are they doing?
If not for getting lucky with 14% odds, this place would legit be a dumpster fire now calling for everyone's head.

From the moment nephew asking for a trade bomb dropped until the moment we won the lottery, more or less everything was awful.

A lot of people in here were (rightfully so) calling for a rebuild as soon as it was obvious nephew won't stay.
What did PATFO do? They stuck with two career losers with awful mentality and we treadmilled for three years.

They sure as weren't making plans for 14 year old Wemby back in 2018.
We all had to witness and suffer two years of Forbes starting while we tried to compete, all those idiotic 50 Mills extensions, awful lineups with three traffic cones on defense and so on.

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Now this is still a decent record if we're talking about your average NBA franchise, but we're talking about a franchise that kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass for almost two decades.
Now suddenly we're content with average drafting and development and people like Mr. Body fully trust PATFO to make the right decisions?

Using this season as a measuring stick to see what's Wemby capable of is fine.
But if we're not in a play-in fight the next season, it's going to be a disaster from every aspect.
The only team with longer lottery streak than the Spurs are the Hornets.

Cap space and assets are there, it's up to Brian Wright to prove that he's competent.
A competent GM would easily build a solid team without mortgaging the future.
But it's been a long time since Spurs had to build a winning time.
The last time they tried, they chose Demar Derozan.

Idk about you guys, but while I'm hoping for the best, I don't see how could anyone be sure that PATFO won't it up?

What you've identified is another form of "compensation," for lack of a better term, fans give the team - their time and attention. That also is another basis en ling fans to complain about the team.

Posters like TPark and Mrs. Body are like those bags who never actually went into the military, but try emulating that mentality in their personal lives on matters were its completely inappropriate to do so.

[duncan2150]

poeltl and brown out tommrow for raptors...Really need for memphs to lose tonight.

JJJ not playing tonight

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Drafting was also subpar as I mentioned a couple of times already.
Lonnie, Samanic, Primo were three wasted first rounders.
Malaki and Wesley don't look spectacular considering their draft positions.
Keldon was a good pick, but he's outlived his tank commander use and has to go before other teams catch onto him being a big negative on both ends of the floor.
Devin was the only great pick, but even then we passed on better players. Rightfully passed on Haliburton because we had both DJ and Derrick. Now we have zero good point guards.
The jury is still out on Jeremy, he's got some potential, but it's obvious better players were drafted with higher picks.

Samanic, Johnson, Walker, White, Branham, and Wesley were all picked 18+. Besides instant evaluations that are pretty questionable, I think you have completely unrealistic and frankly backwards expectation of what a good hit rate is.

Frankly anything after about the 8th pick expecting much above a coin flip is way above average hit rate.