2024 NBA Draft Thread

[mo7888]

No, disagree completely. Sheppard isn't bad but Mills is a lifelong pro who has very good handles and their vision is about the same. Where Sheppard might be better is in the full court.

We'll just have to a friendly disagreement on Patty then. His handles have always looked sub par to me.

[heyheymymy]

I don't know about bundling up, but lets say SA hits at #6 and TOR hits at #8 and the top 5 goes:

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Dillingham
4. Williams
5. Sheppard

You are on the clock with 2 picks from this somewhat yikes remaining board:

Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Would you take 2 from that list? Would you trade #6 and #8 if a top 5 team inexplicably agreed to swap their top 5 pick for your #6 and #8? Incredibly unlikely scenario to begin with but technically possible though I don't see how a team would want to move out of that top 5 but maybe they see value in two players instead of one, don't see much talent difference between the range or view stepping down from the top of the rookie scale, especially in light of mild talent disparity within that range in this draft, as a financial victory.

As SA, in the unlikely scenario someone would actually want to trade out of that top 5, in the framing of these variable cir stances to begin with, I would probably consider trading, say, Topic + Buzelis for any ONE player in that top 5.

[mo7888]

I don't know about bundling up, but lets say SA hits at #6 and TOR hits at #8 and the top 5 goes:

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Dillingham
4. Williams
5. Sheppard

You are on the clock with 2 picks from this somewhat yikes remaining board:

Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Would you take 2 from that list? Would you trade #6 and #8 if a top 5 team inexplicably agreed to swap their top 5 pick for your #6 and #8? Incredibly unlikely scenario to begin with but technically possible though I don't see how a team would want to move out of that top 5 but maybe they see value in two players instead of one, don't see much talent difference between the range or view stepping down from the top of the rookie scale, especially in light of mild talent disparity within that range in this draft, as a financial victory.

As SA, in the unlikely scenario someone would actually want to trade out of that top 5, in the framing of these variable cir stances to begin with, I would probably consider trading, say, Topic + Buzelis for any ONE player in that top 5.

In that scenario, I'm taking Topic and Buzelis if possible. If one is off the board at #8, I'm taking Salaun.

[spurraider21]

Salaun feels like the "two years away from being two years away" guy. There could be something amazing there, but i dont think its really close enough for us to be picking. If this were the big 3 spurs and he was there in the mid 20's, sure why not.

[spurraider21]

I don't know about bundling up, but lets say SA hits at #6 and TOR hits at #8 and the top 5 goes:

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Dillingham
4. Williams
5. Sheppard

You are on the clock with 2 picks from this somewhat yikes remaining board:

Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Would you take 2 from that list? Would you trade #6 and #8 if a top 5 team inexplicably agreed to swap their top 5 pick for your #6 and #8? Incredibly unlikely scenario to begin with but technically possible though I don't see how a team would want to move out of that top 5 but maybe they see value in two players instead of one, don't see much talent difference between the range or view stepping down from the top of the rookie scale, especially in light of mild talent disparity within that range in this draft, as a financial victory.

As SA, in the unlikely scenario someone would actually want to trade out of that top 5, in the framing of these variable cir stances to begin with, I would probably consider trading, say, Topic + Buzelis for any ONE player in that top 5.

certainly not an ideal situation but i'd grab Topic and Buzelis. it frustrates me because coming away with 2 picks without taking 1 known good shooter just feels bad. but these are both guys with signals that they can improve their jumpers and they have very good ancillary skills that can help them find a role even before they become very good outside shooters

i think the way i'd order them is something like

Topic/Buzelis
Holland/Castle
Filipowski
Salaun
Walter

[DAF86]

I don't know about bundling up, but lets say SA hits at #6 and TOR hits at #8 and the top 5 goes:

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Dillingham
4. Williams
5. Sheppard

You are on the clock with 2 picks from this somewhat yikes remaining board:

Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Would you take 2 from that list? Would you trade #6 and #8 if a top 5 team inexplicably agreed to swap their top 5 pick for your #6 and #8? Incredibly unlikely scenario to begin with but technically possible though I don't see how a team would want to move out of that top 5 but maybe they see value in two players instead of one, don't see much talent difference between the range or view stepping down from the top of the rookie scale, especially in light of mild talent disparity within that range in this draft, as a financial victory.

As SA, in the unlikely scenario someone would actually want to trade out of that top 5, in the framing of these variable cir stances to begin with, I would probably consider trading, say, Topic + Buzelis for any ONE player in that top 5.

I'm not high on either, but Topic and Buzelis at 6 and 8 could be great value. Also Dalton Knecht if you want a known shooter. There are options there, I'd like to keep both picks.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know about bundling up, but lets say SA hits at #6 and TOR hits at #8 and the top 5 goes:

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Dillingham
4. Williams
5. Sheppard

You are on the clock with 2 picks from this somewhat yikes remaining board:

Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Would you take 2 from that list? Would you trade #6 and #8 if a top 5 team inexplicably agreed to swap their top 5 pick for your #6 and #8? Incredibly unlikely scenario to begin with but technically possible though I don't see how a team would want to move out of that top 5 but maybe they see value in two players instead of one, don't see much talent difference between the range or view stepping down from the top of the rookie scale, especially in light of mild talent disparity within that range in this draft, as a financial victory.

As SA, in the unlikely scenario someone would actually want to trade out of that top 5, in the framing of these variable cir stances to begin with, I would probably consider trading, say, Topic + Buzelis for any ONE player in that top 5.

The Spurs don't seem to be a team that will generally trade up. With Kawhi, they were pretty desperate for young talent and it paid off massively. That said, this is new territory. Fun to try to guess, in any case.

To me, I'm not heartbroken about missing any of those players. I'm still thinking about Risacher, but that's still a rich spot for what I think he delivers. Sarr is interesting, but the questions are too large to trade up for. Of course I love Dillingham but I don't think the Spurs will go for him anyway.

Buzelis.

That's still my target for the Spurs and who (right now) I think they horn in on, alongside Risacher.

Castle/Topic/Filipowski

Filipowski is the outlier, but I think they'll be interested. Castle or Topic should make them happy.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade away the Toronto pick.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i dont hate cody williams, i just dont get what im supposed to love about him as a high end prospect. it kind of feels like kawhi how he was this toolsy player that could be molded, but kawhi was way further along and way more productive.

he doesnt seem like a great defender yet, he's not a good rebounder, he's not much of a passer/playmaker, and he's not much of an outside shooter.

if the toronto pick ends up sliding outside the top 7-8 and he's there, its one thing. but considering him with a top 5-6 pick just doesnt seem right

thats just the opinion of this fairly uninformed poster

you're discounting his defense and rebounding as if they are bad which is not the case IMO. He is shooting 46% on 3's. he does a lot of drive and kick/finish, he can post up. you can run offense through him which is not what you can say about a lot of non-PG this year.

I get not liking him at the tippy top but to say he is not in the top 5 convo is goofy IMO.

[heyheymymy]

Swapping Topic for Sheppard in the top 5 which is just as likely, how do you select if the remaining board looks like this now:

Sheppard
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Also, you have #6 & #8, so someone else will pick #7 and likely take another big name off before you get to your second selection. Let's say Buzelis goes #7, or perhaps Walter? Still, something like Sheppard + Salaun would be a pretty nice haul for SA especially outside top 5 financial rookie scale.

[exstatic]

I've come to understand this is just a false indicator. There are simply too many examples where this doesn't match to really consider it a deal breaker.

With Buzelis, you'd have to work him out and determine whether the Ignite experience factored into his shooting slippage. He was a good shooter before and his form looks good.

With Topic, there's just way too many players who are good free throw shooters who are not and never became good outside shooters.

Name shooters with high 80s % FTs who are bad 3 point shooters, and I want a lot of names, since there’s “way too many”. Your assertion, your homework.

[Dejounte]

Walter seems destined to be a Rocket, IMO.

[mo7888]

Swapping Topic for Sheppard in the top 5 which is just as likely, how do you select if the remaining board looks like this now:

Sheppard
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Also, you have #6 & #8, so someone else will pick #7 and likely take another big name off before you get to your second selection. Let's say Buzelis goes #7, or perhaps Walter? Still, something like Sheppard + Salaun would be a pretty nice haul for SA especially outside top 5 financial rookie scale.

Buzelis and Shephard... if one's gone, then Salaun

[Mr. Body]

Name shooters with high 80s % FTs who are bad 3 point shooters, and I want a lot of names, since there’s “way too many”. Your assertion, your homework.

Oh, I don't know. Kobe Bryant, Jimmy Butler, DeMar DeRozan. Ever heard of them?

[Mr. Body]

Swapping Topic for Sheppard in the top 5 which is just as likely, how do you select if the remaining board looks like this now:

Sheppard
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Also, you have #6 & #8, so someone else will pick #7 and likely take another big name off before you get to your second selection. Let's say Buzelis goes #7, or perhaps Walter? Still, something like Sheppard + Salaun would be a pretty nice haul for SA especially outside top 5 financial rookie scale.

I'm also Buzelis and Sheppard here. Again wouldn't be surprised to see them take Castle.

[Mr. Body]

you're discounting his defense and rebounding as if they are bad which is not the case IMO. He is shooting 46% on 3's. he does a lot of drive and kick/finish, he can post up. you can run offense through him which is not what you can say about a lot of non-PG this year.

I get not liking him at the tippy top but to say he is not in the top 5 convo is goofy IMO.

Cody Williams' defense and rebounding are pretty bad though.

[scott]

Name shooters with high 80s % FTs who are bad 3 point shooters, and I want a lot of names, since there’s “way too many”. Your assertion, your homework.

Here's a list of players with more than 30 games played who shoot under 35% from 3, in descending order from highest FT%. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

Every name on the list shoots better than 78% from the FT line.

[heyheymymy]

Great responses, thanks all

Agree Castle seems like the type of player that catches PATFOs eye

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cody Williams' defense and rebounding are pretty bad though.

if you say so given he normally leaks out on rebounds, the C and PF are crashing the boards, and the Buffaloes don't have a negative rebounding differential.

[Mr. Body]

Here's a list of players with more than 30 games played who shoot under 35% from 3, in descending order from highest FT%. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tr...=A&sort=FT_PCT

Every name on the list shoots better than 78% from the FT line.

Wow, there are about 150 players in the NBA who shoot over 80% from the line and aren't what anyone would say are great 3pt shooters. That's just this year alone.

[Mr. Body]

if you say so given he normally leaks out on rebounds, the C and PF are crashing the boards, and the Buffaloes don't have a negative rebounding differential.

This is one defense, that he has a good rebounding team. That doesn't make him a good rebounder, however.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow, there are about 150 players in the NBA who shoot over 80% from the line and aren't what anyone would say are great 3pt shooters. That's just this year alone.

yeah they are confusing correlation with causation.

[spurraider21]

you're discounting his defense and rebounding as if they are bad which is not the case IMO. He is shooting 46% on 3's. he does a lot of drive and kick/finish, he can post up. you can run offense through him which is not what you can say about a lot of non-PG this year.

I get not liking him at the tippy top but to say he is not in the top 5 convo is goofy IMO.

i said he doesnt seem like a great defender and he's not a good rebounder, not that he's "bad" in them, though id say his rebounding leans that way (averages 4 per 40 minutes).

yes his 3pt% is astronomical but he barely shoots them, and has made 16 threes in 18 games. he's a 70% free throw shooter. with that said, his form looks fine and he has good touch so i think he can get there. but right now he's not much of a shooter.

theres a lot of things with him that look like they should get better. the shot, the defense, and the rebounding, given his frame/length. but none of them are realized yet and theres a chance he doesnt develop all of those things, or any of them. he just requires a lot more projection than the typical top 10 pick. i know this is considered a weak draft, but its weak in that it doesnt have top end talent. i still think there are good players to be had in the mid lotto to the point where im not just going to throw cody in there by default

[rascal]

Swapping Topic for Sheppard in the top 5 which is just as likely, how do you select if the remaining board looks like this now:

Sheppard
Holland
Buzelis
Walter
Flipowski
Castle
Salaun

Also, you have #6 & #8, so someone else will pick #7 and likely take another big name off before you get to your second selection. Let's say Buzelis goes #7, or perhaps Walter? Still, something like Sheppard + Salaun would be a pretty nice haul for SA especially outside top 5 financial rookie scale.

No Collier

[exstatic]

Oh, I don't know. Kobe Bryant, Jimmy Butler, DeMar DeRozan. Ever heard of them?

Three isn’t way too many, and all of them came up in the pre 2015 3 point free for all.

[exstatic]

Wow, there are about 150 players in the NBA who shoot over 80% from the line and aren't what anyone would say are great 3pt shooters. That's just this year alone.

Ifyouput one more filter, 3 FTA, it knocks down to 32 players. 3 FTA is a pretty low bar to clear to get a sample size. Most of those 150 players have fractions of attempts, and are just noise. Those 32 players almost all shoot over 30% except centers.