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    Gregg Popovich is completely responsible for the -show of a season we’ve seen. It’s been a wasted year and it didn’t need to be. Thank goodness Wemby loves the organization and its history. He’s done his part & must feel let down by the team’s inaction & poor planning. He should have been surrounded by competent players with a mix of youth and experience.
    To do what? A Houston up? This team would have struggled to make even the play in with a few veterans. This is literally the last chance for us to earn our own high draft pick in Wemby’s career.

    Once Tim came on board in 97, the best pick we saw was #20, when the Spurs shockingly only won 50 games one year. WE NEED THESE TWO PICKS, be they 3 and 8 or whatever. This is the seed corn for Wemby’s 20s.

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    Still didn’t get the guys part meaning mainstream media. But since you haven’t heard it and is too lazy to do any research to debunk your own agenda for getting Trae young, here you go:

    https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-analys...ext-five-years
    https://hoopshabit.com/2023/06/25/vi...-lakers-spurs/

    Holy … you sure did show me.

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    a viral tweet by clutch points and a comment by renowned NBA commentator... keyshawn johnson?

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    I'm wondering if this tweet made into a post would reach 20 pages? Might not even crack 5, tbh. So much -slinging at the media's reporting, yet we're all here eating it up like they want to, giving weight to nonsense and noise.

    Btw, some reporting by Ramona Shelburne here, who I hold (held?) in higher regard. Yeah the generational prospect doesn't want to be bottom of the standings for his career - shocker!

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    Gregg Popovich is completely responsible for the -show of a season we’ve seen. Its been a wasted year and it didn’t need to be. Thank goodness Wemby loves the organization and its history. He’s done his part & must feel let down by the team’s inaction & poor planning. He should have been surrounded by competent players with a mix of youth and experience.
    what an imbecile take... show ? what show ? Spurs number one pick is healthy, improved his game tremendously, gonna be ROTY, already putting historical number and cherry on the cake the season will ensure a high draft pick.

    what would be a good season ? a 35 wins ? barely missing the POs ? no draft pick ? that would a no show ? smh...

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    windhorst is nowhere near being as privy to the inner workings of wemby's camp as he was with lebron, as much as he wants to be. tWemby is very cerebral and seems to know basketball very well. also, he's a Euro and has a different mind set than many of the American ballers. i have more reason to believe mike finger than any of the ESPN hacks.

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    I find this talk increasingly hilarious.

    We all know the 75% chance scenario this summer is that the Spurs bring in a few low/mid profile vets, draft two quality role players, keep their THREE potential lotto picks in 2025, and continue to make internal improvements into next year. They'll set a realistic goal of making the play-in game next year, which feels about right.

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    I find this talk increasingly hilarious.

    We all know the 75% chance scenario this summer is that the Spurs bring in a few low/mid profile vets, draft two quality role players, keep their THREE potential lotto picks in 2025, and continue to make internal improvements into next year. They'll set a realistic goal of making the play-in game next year, which feels about right.
    its not always reasonable to expect rookies to be meaningful contributors to team success

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    Wemby and KD would be insane for a few years but what's the cost tbh?
    That's definitely the question. I think Durant is worth more than Young, but the Spurs can't justify paying more for him given his age, health and the fact that he hasn't been to the Finals since 2019. He'd be a fantastic mentor/sage, but the league would have to recalibrate to value him in that role rather than as a franchise player. The Suns in particular may not be at that point. It's a shame, because joining the Spurs and boosting Wemby to a ring is probably the best redemption arc he could have at this point. Even returning to OKC would be sort of tainted given how good they are already. That extension he signed with Brooklyn a couple of years ago might've been a mistake for his legacy, all things considered. But I guess that's par for the course.

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    Mat Ishbia is way too egotistical to give up on Durant after mortgaging the team's future to put their big 3 together.

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    RGMers were talking about the Suns trading Durant. I would definitely prefer KD to anyone else extensively talked about. I can't think of a better mentor for Victor than Durant. He has the type of game Wemby wants to develop and is as far as I know an enthusiastic teacher. He also has one of the more unique career journeys for a guy of his talent, and I think he could provide a lot of wisdom in terms of what to do and what not to do in that regard. I don't know if the Spurs could be a contender given Durant's age. But as I said earlier in this thread, the point of the off-season isn't to win more games. It's to get Victor as set up as possible, and getting a guy who can be for him as David was to Tim seems like a dream come true.

    Plus, yeah, if they made the right moves around it, Durant and Wemby absolutely could win a le as 1A and 1B.
    No thanks for me anyway

    I don't want a coach killing merc who is hyper sensitive to be Wemby's mentor at all.

    Is he going to teach Wemby how to ruin your own team by insisting your washed up scrub buddies deserve to start over legit NBA players like with DeAndre Jordan and Jarrett Allen? Teach him to leave for whichever team beats him in the WCF?

    If KD is still bent out if shape over people not giving him enough credit for the GS wins after sulking his entire last Warriors season I don't want to think about the sabotage he'd get up to here with the love people have for Wemby

    Add in the injuries and age and the capital it would take to get him.... No thanks

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    Yeah, found the tweets and articles and all I got are emojis, it's pretty clear mainstream media, in fact the vast majority of the media and fans, would want big names in big markets, not just for the NBA, but for all sports. Things like salary cap and rules that encourage players to sign with hometown teams were created specifically for this reason, so that the small market teams can retain talent and be compe ive. Having multiple markets being compe ive helps the overall league, but the bigger market teams still draws in the vast majority of revenues, this isn't a secret or anything.

    This is doubly true for the media, where they get viewership from bigger markets, and much better ad revenues, not to mention an average reporter would much rather travel to LA and NY for work than travelling to San Antonio and Denver.

    There has been countless examples of this, from Kawhi to LA (I still think it was because he wanted to at the end), Davis to LA, Shaq to LA, Kareem to LA (he listed NY), Lebron to LA. Some of them didn't work, like Chris Paul to LA, but there is a consistent history for the media to help drive big names to big markets. It helps that LA has way better marketing opportunities than anywhere else as well ,but to act like this doesn't exist is just odd to me.

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    No thanks for me anyway

    I don't want a coach killing merc who is hyper sensitive to be Wemby's mentor at all.

    Is he going to teach Wemby how to ruin your own team by insisting your washed up scrub buddies deserve to start over legit NBA players like with DeAndre Jordan and Jarrett Allen? Teach him to leave for whichever team beats him in the WCF?

    If KD is still bent out if shape over people not giving him enough credit for the GS wins after sulking his entire last Warriors season I don't want to think about the sabotage he'd get up to here with the love people have for Wemby

    Add in the injuries and age and the capital it would take to get him.... No thanks
    Durant's way better than Young and likely will be for the remainder of their contracts. I totally get having a limit on what to pay for an old player, which is why it probably won't happen. If his market is as a superstar, it doesn't make sense. If it drops to a high-impact vet, it would.

    But the fact that Durant has already faced situations Wemby will face and taken paths he clearly seems to regret is definitely a plus in my book. You learn from the whole of a person, not just an idealized version of them. Someone who can tell Wemby, "I jumped ship and have been chasing ghosts ever since" is way more impactful than a guy who can say, "I didn't leave my team for my whole career until I came here," which would be what Curry could say. Obviously Curry would be almost as fantastic of a get as Durant (better fit as a co-star but less likely to be able to mentor Victor), but Durant's story offers many more lessons, though if Wemby has an injury arc in his future, Steph's experiences might be invaluable.

    I think Durant's antics have given people the impression that he's a bad personality on a team or in a locker room. Everything I've heard about folks who actually interact with Durant suggest he's actually pretty cool, and when he's talking and not posting under a fake account, he seems quite deliberate and aware.

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    I'm wondering if this tweet made into a post would reach 20 pages? Might not even crack 5, tbh. So much -slinging at the media's reporting, yet we're all here eating it up like they want to, giving weight to nonsense and noise.

    Btw, some reporting by Ramona Shelburne here, who I hold (held?) in higher regard. Yeah the generational prospect doesn't want to be bottom of the standings for his career - shocker!
    Smh, ass ESPN already trying to stir the pot to get Wemby out of SA. In his ing ROOKIE SEASON! ESPN, YOU'RE B*TCH MADE HATERS!!

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    Durant's way better than Young and likely will be for the remainder of their contracts. I totally get having a limit on what to pay for an old player, which is why it probably won't happen. If his market is as a superstar, it doesn't make sense. If it drops to a high-impact vet, it would.

    But the fact that Durant has already faced situations Wemby will face and taken paths he clearly seems to regret is definitely a plus in my book. You learn from the whole of a person, not just an idealized version of them. Someone who can tell Wemby, "I jumped ship and have been chasing ghosts ever since" is way more impactful than a guy who can say, "I didn't leave my team for my whole career until I came here," which would be what Curry could say. Obviously Curry would be almost as fantastic of a get as Durant (better fit as a co-star but less likely to be able to mentor Victor), but Durant's story offers many more lessons, though if Wemby has an injury arc in his future, Steph's experiences might be invaluable.

    I think Durant's antics have given people the impression that he's a bad personality on a team or in a locker room. Everything I've heard about folks who actually interact with Durant suggest he's actually pretty cool, and when he's talking and not posting under a fake account, he seems quite deliberate and aware.
    It's a really intriguing idea, and is like your Jimmy Butler suggestion on steroids. He's being paid $49.8MM and $53.2MM for Years 24-25 and 25-26 respectively. He'll be 37 when his contract is up in 25-26. I'd absolutely bring him in at that point for what should be a fraction of what he was making. Wemby would be 22, and the mentor window would, I'd think, still be open.

    The Suns are in a danger-zone standings wise - currently 6th and set to play Denver in the first round. I'd imagine they'd get absolutely smoked. They're a game behind NOLA for the 5th seed and a half game behind Sacramento for the 7th seed and the play in. All of which is to say that I think it probable that the suns don't make it out of the first round. My recollection is that they are still a second-apron team post-deadline. KD will be 36 next year. I don't think they'd trade away their 1B who's been great and relatively healthy this year -- but man, you'd think they'd have some conversations about it.

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    It's a really intriguing idea, and is like your Jimmy Butler suggestion on steroids. He's being paid $49.8MM and $53.2MM for Years 24-25 and 25-26 respectively. He'll be 37 when his contract is up in 25-26. I'd absolutely bring him in at that point for what should be a fraction of what he was making. Wemby would be 22, and the mentor window would, I'd think, still be open.

    The Suns are in a danger-zone standings wise - currently 6th and set to play Denver in the first round. I'd imagine they'd get absolutely smoked. They're a game behind NOLA for the 5th seed and a half game behind Sacramento for the 7th seed and the play in. All of which is to say that I think it probable that the suns don't make it out of the first round. My recollection is that they are still a second-apron team post-deadline. KD will be 36 next year. I don't think they'd trade away their 1B who's been great and relatively healthy this year -- but man, you'd think they'd have some conversations about it.
    Tough to say about the Suns bc I think Denver is going to finish as the 1 seed. If the Suns stay 6th that might actually be the best spot for them. They avoid the Lakers and Warriors. They face the baby Thunder and an unproven Wolves team in the second round. I think they’d be favored in each match up

    As far as Durant goes he solves the issue of our SF and I think would guarantee the Spurs pick Topic with their own pick. With both Wemby and Durant we don’t need a ball dominant guard but rather one who can set up teammates and play pick n roll effectively as a passer. But idk even know the package the Spurs would have to give up to get Durant tbh

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    He is only saying the right thing. He is a smart kid and I do hope that they talk to him about their plans and why they do this or that. It would be a different thing if we never won a le.

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    Btw, some reporting by Ramona Shelburne here, who I hold (held?) in higher regard. Yeah the generational prospect doesn't want to be bottom of the standings for his career - shocker!
    She’s kind of awful actually and typical behavior. Ramona pushed the “my injury was 100x worse”. She asked the question took the quote out of context and went on tv with it.

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    yes with Timmy Duncs and David Robinson around the campus we need to have Durbeta come in to *mentor*.

    Facepalm.

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    That's definitely the question. I think Durant is worth more than Young, but the Spurs can't justify paying more for him given his age, health and the fact that he hasn't been to the Finals since 2019. He'd be a fantastic mentor/sage, but the league would have to recalibrate to value him in that role rather than as a franchise player. The Suns in particular may not be at that point. It's a shame, because joining the Spurs and boosting Wemby to a ring is probably the best redemption arc he could have at this point. Even returning to OKC would be sort of tainted given how good they are already. That extension he signed with Brooklyn a couple of years ago might've been a mistake for his legacy, all things considered. But I guess that's par for the course.
    Ishibia would commit Seppuku before he traded Durant after everything he gave up to put that team together.

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    what an imbecile take... show ? what show ? Spurs number one pick is healthy, improved his game tremendously, gonna be ROTY, already putting historical number and cherry on the cake the season will ensure a high draft pick.

    what would be a good season ? a 35 wins ? barely missing the POs ? no draft pick ? that would a no show ? smh...
    The show has everything to do with the team getting the #1 pick (a generational talent) and NOT surrounding him with competent players that could contribute. I’m not talking All-Star caliber players, just solid players who know how to play the game. The current guys on the roster have no desire to defend and they can’t shoot. They look like a bad G League team with little discipline or court awareness. That falls on the coach. For much of the season he just sat back & coddled the players, treating them like spoiled grandchildren.

    He’s squawking a little bit now but the damage is done. 13 wins? That’s abysmal.

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    The show has everything to do with the team getting the #1 pick (a generational talent) and NOT surrounding him with competent players that could contribute. I’m not talking All-Star caliber players, just solid players who know how to play the game. The current guys on the roster have no desire to defend and they can’t shoot. They look like a bad G League team with little discipline or court awareness. That falls on the coach. For much of the season he just sat back & coddled the players, treating them like spoiled grandchildren.

    He’s squawking a little bit now but the damage is done. 13 wins? That’s abysmal.
    So you'd rather finish with 35 wins...go no where...and have a mid draft pick...

    Got it..

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    So you'd rather finish with 35 wins...go no where...and have a mid draft pick...

    Got it..
    This draft is loaded with role players. All this losing and the spurs will be getting a mid-type pick anyway, while also being a laughing stock saved only by Detroit’s even higher level of incompetence.

    Nothing indicates the people running this team know how to win basketball games. They got the best rookie since LeBron and are even worse than last year. None of their players improved from last yea. So yes, a failure in every aspect. There is absolutely no reason to believe this will be a 20 win team next year under the status quo except that wemby is that good. Quite an accomplishment.

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    This draft is loaded with role players. All this losing and the spurs will be getting a mid-type pick anyway, while also being a laughing stock saved only by Detroit’s even higher level of incompetence.

    Nothing indicates the people running this team know how to win basketball games. They got the best rookie since LeBron and are even worse than last year. None of their players improved from last yea. So yes, a failure in every aspect. There is absolutely no reason to believe this will be a 20 win team next year under the status quo except that wemby is that good. Quite an accomplishment.
    You are being super short sighted……. Feel how you must but there is no denying this organization knows how to build a winner! Be patient and enjoy the process.

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    The show has everything to do with the team getting the #1 pick (a generational talent) and NOT surrounding him with competent players that could contribute. I’m not talking All-Star caliber players, just solid players who know how to play the game. The current guys on the roster have no desire to defend and they can’t shoot. They look like a bad G League team with little discipline or court awareness. That falls on the coach. For much of the season he just sat back & coddled the players, treating them like spoiled grandchildren.

    He’s squawking a little bit now but the damage is done. 13 wins? That’s abysmal.
    Who gives a about 13 wins vs. 30, what would it change except not getting a high draft pick ?

    When are you gonna give credit to Pop and FO for Victor physical evolution ? for his must improved game ? to welcome in a franchise full of picks and cap space ? Victor does not like losing but he will get ROTY and should be 1st defensive team and having a tremendous usage rate. Priority for Spurs was doing all for Victor and again it is so far a tremendous success. He is palying around 30 mpg which is good for his health and adaptation, anybody who has a functionning brain understand he is not yet capable of 40 mpg, during this 30 mpg he is enjoying a huge usage rate for a rookie.

    This year was probably the first time you watched a full game of Victor, everybody knew about his potential but people that are following him for a while could not have imagined him reaching this level of play in such short period of time, that is the work of the coaching staff and this includes Pop.

    You don't progress getting an easy life, surronding him already with vets, a very good pg... would have been potentially detrimental to his evolution.

    Now is everything perfect, of course not but calling this season of show is an imbecile take.

    13 wins
    we could miss the POs with 30 wins instead

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