Nobody is expecting him to be an all-NBA defender. NBA PGs rarely are. He would at least not be a liability, that's for sure. And he seems like a playmaker on that end of the court, which is a great skill to have.
I'm obviously not advocating for draftig him #1 overall like that crazy dude mocked, but at around 7 and beyond, he would be my guy.
Mr. Body just being overly negative for some reason. The truth is that he can actually do all the things you listed. At least, that's what the metrics suggest. He rates good to elite on all aspects of the game. The questions come from his somewhat limited role as a guy that comes off the bench and plays as a secondary ballhander behind Dillingham. And the obvious concerns about his physical limitations and whether or not he would be able to reproduce all that he's doing at the NBA level.
Brother, this was a highlights clip package. I've been noticing the same stuff. Not only is he small, he's a terrible man-to-man defender. Not only does he have no prayer if he gets switched off on a Dalton Knecht, of which there are many in the NBA, he can't even adequately guard a fellow point guard.
About the only sensible thing in that draft
Despite all our differences, I would welcome you with open arms.
Unfortunately this might be an entire lottery filled with nothing but rotation level players.
That's actually a condensed compilation of all the major plays he was a part of, that's why there are misses, turnovers and these defensive plays you are pointing out.
If he were such a terrible defender as you say, why does he rate as one the best defenders in the entire country? I know defensive metrics are less than ideal, but if someone is trully "terrible" the metrics would never say he's elite.
Clearly he's not the defender that the metrics indicate but he's also clearly not "terrible" on that end. Why do you have to come up with these exagerated superlatives to try and make your point?
Even if his man to man defense was as poor as you say, his team defense and his playmaking ability would make him an above average defender for the PG position.
i mean that was basically the dejounte murray thing. he rarely had an impact defending man to man but was a vulture and playmaker. im not saying thats bad per se
I'm a fan of Shep (Stats nerd), but I wouldn't take him at 1. Not sure he's a genuine #1 level on ball creator, and if you're getting a Red type with better defensive event creation, that's a valuable player, but it's a solid role player, not a star. The reason Curry is so good is that he can be a major threat on and off ball with shooting and speed of release. If the Spurs think Shep gets there, fine, but I don't think he's showed that level of on ball juice.
Second round should get some interesting cheap depth flyers coming through. Kel'el Ware and DaRon Holmes are pretty consistently mocked near the end of the first, I think they're interesting bets with the early second round pick if they fall.
The other interesting guy to pre-draft is Connor Murray-Boyles (Collin - Dumb typo). He's been outlier good recently, can't shoot but the FT% is OK, and he's super young. Doubt he comes out this year as the archetype isn't highly valued, and he probably jumps a lot if he does the recent stuff for a full season, but I think he's an NBA guy.
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Sheppard at #7 or 8? I'd be super excited. Would be a great bench player for us, something we desperately need as well.
Sheppard at #1? LOL, I hope Brian Wright has jobs lined up elsewhere (and take Pop with you, please).
Glad I found someone else on CMB island. I don't think he'll ever be a starter, but I view him as a weapon specifically to be used against these lighter centers like Chet, Mobley, Porzingis, maybe Sarr in the future. His build is like a fitter version of Kenneth Lofton Jr. I don't see him ever approaching league-average in regards to 3 point shooting, but he's got the quickness to switch on the perimeter and the size to punish small teams down low both as a rebounder and as a scorer. I think it's a reasonable bet that he has a Brandon Clarke-like impact as a valuable bench guy down the road, definitely worth a second rounder for me and I'm hoping teams stay away from him due to his complete lack of shooting.
It might be devoid of top level sure but you really do not consider development potential with this take. The draft actually is pretty good depth to a potential Toronto pick. The talent gradient is not steep 1-10.
- I wouldn't select Sheppard at #1 primarily because they could trade back, pick up an additional asset(s) and select him anyway.
- At least in shoes (which last time I checked they still play in), he looks a legit 6'3'' to me and stout enough that he should eventually play around 195ish pounds, which is fine for a nominal PG or lead guard.
- Defense consists of various components. He might lack the size and lateral quickness to defend at the point of attack (if they draft Williams with the natural pick, that should be less of an issue), but his play making or "event creation" and offensive skillset should more than make up for it.
- If the Craptors 1st conveys and the Spurs go wing with the natural pick, I could see the Thunder and/or Jazz trying to leapfrog the Spurs to select him.
If OKC truly covets either Sheppard or Cody, a Thunder-Grizzlies trade makes a ton of sense. Memphis needs a bunch of role players around Ja/JJJ/Bane as they want to contend next year and their biggest need is a center to replace Adams. Them drafting Clingan later and either picking up another Marcus Smart type like Devin carter or getting a future asset would make a lot more sense than drafting another raw teenager early that probably won't get much playing time.
Who said he can't play PG? He's got good vision, good handles, and most of all CAN SHOOT.
If they want shooting just draft Cam Spencer in the 2nd round.
The Spurs need shooting among core or potential core players, not spare parts.
They've played that game for the better part of a decade and it's had them continually falling behind the curve.
Because the draft is crap.
Risacher has been talked about at #1 for weeks and his NBA comp is Cam Johnson.
People are panicking at the idea of getting a role player with a top 5 pick without realizing that if this draft is as bad as it looks, getting a positive rotation player will be a win
I don't believe Sheppard will be a starter in the league. So no more a core player than Cam Spencr will be.
Jeesh, just took a spin on tankathon and got probably the worst scenario: Spurs land #6 and TOR keeps their pick.
Could you imagine the meltdown here if that happened?!
Resident experts in here.
Doesn't matter if the draft is crap or not.
Undersized guards rarely go top3 unless their scoring potential is ridiculous.
If Sheppard doesn't have elite handles, he shouldn't be close to top3 regardless of how bad the class is.
You just roll the dice on a wing you think will develop the best.
I also really dislike the good/bad draft narratives.
Last year's draft was supposed to be the most stacked in years and yet top5 has three players that already look like they won't ever come close to the expectations, with the rest of the class not being that impressive, either.
Two best players in the league are 15th and 41st pick.
Every single draft has all-star players in it, having a top5 pick more or less guarantees you can draft one if your scouting and talent evaluation department is good enough.
As I said many times already, Spurs were widely regarded as the best franchise in the league when it came to discovering talent, they kept pulling great players out of their ass.
I think that changed over the recent years, this is their chance to get some of that reputation back.
We were so lucky with Wemby that we can't complain if we get the worst case scenario in the next 10 drafts.
Certainly folks would go nuclear, but I'm not sure it would be the worst case situation. We'd still land a decent rotation level prospect (which we also need), and the TOR pick being pushed out might motivate the Spurs to consolidate it into a trade for a more proven commodity, which might be better off than adding a second of these subpar 19-year old prospects. I honestly wouldn't hate it, presuming the Spurs actually did some wheeling and dealing (for useful players they view as part of this next evolution, not for draft capital, not for more Cedi Osman types).
O’Conner just updated his mock. Interesting read:
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft
Posted already
Even the player comps in KOC's mock are completely uninspiring
Here are the player comps for his top 10:
1. Derrick White
2. MPJ
3. JJJ/Jonathan Isaac
4. Markelle Fultz/Anthonyy Black
5. Harrison Barnes/Theoretical Josh Jackson
6. Lamar Odom
7. Chandler Parsons
8. Lou Williams/Bones Hyland
9. Goran Dragic
10. Roy Hibbert
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