2024 NBA Draft Thread

[spurraider21]

could be good synergy between Castle and Sheppard... their skill overlap could look something like Butler/Lowry tbh

[LeBowen]

The thing with point guard position is that while you can develop a bad shooter into a solid one, it's really unlikely you'll ever develop him into an elite shooter.

And as it was said in other topics, we need an elite triple threat playmaker to pair with Wemby.
Being unable to go under a screen for Wemby's pnr partner more or less breaks every defense and opens everything up.

Yeah, maybe Topic develops into a solid shooter, but noone's going to jump out and fight hard to prevent him from shooting.

Current champs have only two elite defenders in their lineup and they're a solid defensive team.
We've got future defensive GOAT on our roster and unless the players we're looking at is atrocious defensively, we can afford to have a bad defender in the lineup. Everyone has one these days.

[spurraider21]

The thing with point guard position is that while you can develop a bad shooter into a solid one, it's really unlikely you'll ever develop him into an elite shooter.

And as it was said in other topics, we need an elite triple threat playmaker to pair with Wemby.
Being unable to go under a screen for Wemby's pnr partner more or less breaks every defense and opens everything up.

Yeah, maybe Topic develops into a solid shooter, but noone's going to jump out and fight hard to prevent him from shooting.

Current champs have only two elite defenders in their lineup and they're a solid defensive team.
We've got future defensive GOAT on our roster and unless the players we're looking at is atrocious defensively, we can afford to have a bad defender in the lineup. Everyone has one these days.

the most complete offensive option among the guards is pretty cleanly dillingham. explosive off the dribble, great 3 point shooter, good shotmaking in general, and also a good passer, particularly with respect to hitting the roll man. you're just resigning yourself to having an undersized point guard who will get targeted on the other end. its kind of the Trae Young dilemma, though he seems way more apt at playing off-ball than Young

[vy65]

could be good synergy between Castle and Sheppard... their skill overlap could look something like Butler/Lowry tbh

Was thinking something similar, but would you run a Shep-Castle-Vassell lineup? Feels pretty small.

[spurraider21]

Was thinking something similar, but would you run a Shep-Castle-Vassell lineup? Feels pretty small.

yeah was about to go back and edit the post to say just that

[vy65]

yeah was about to go back and edit the post to say just that

troll swarm hive mind

[JPB]

Topic has been in the top 3 all year. Even his injury didn’t derail his draft stock.

By default yeah, but he's not a no brainer there like top 3 picks some other years could be. And I preciesely believe he's not gonna end up top 3.

We'll see.

[pad300]

What does that have to do with any point I was making.

Ok, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302519&p=11041588&viewfull=1#post 11041588 that you clearly didn't read...

Yesterday: You (Mr. Body), Spurraider21 and Baseline bum had all asserted that the NCAA was a higher level of compe ion than the ABA (where Topic plays). I proposed a little analysis to compare between the SEC and the ABA (again, see the linked post above). All of you have been in this thread since, but for some reason or other, none of you is willing to do your end of the research...

[JPB]

lmao at Mexican armies

Are they THAT bad?

Caricaturing a liltle It seems there's a develpment or assisant coach for every little thing in the NBA today like shoe lace development coach or coffe machine assistant.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

troll swarm hive mind

You do seem to be having a fun time talking to yourself. I like how Dulicnea is trying to cultivate rep by talking to Bruno.

[JPB]

Risacher, Sarr, and Topic are still top 3 in most drafts I see.

Inertia, don't beleive it's gonna stay put. Muricans should rise.

[LeBowen]

Ok, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302519&p=11041588&viewfull=1#post 11041588 that you clearly didn't read...

Yesterday: You (Mr. Body), Spurraider21 and Baseline bum had all asserted that the NCAA was a higher level of compe ion than the ABA (where Topic plays). I proposed a little analysis to compare between the SEC and the ABA (again, see the linked post above). All of you have been in this thread since, but for some reason or other, none of you is willing to do your end of the research...

Good post, idk why does that stuff need to be explained to people who think NCAA is good these days.
Even if you don't watch anything other than the NBA, the sheer fact that everyone with NBA potential leaves college ball asap is enough to conclude that NCAA's talent level is at it's lowest point ever.

Still, as I wrote the other day I don't think drafting any European point guard is a good idea because the only ones that became legit NBA players over the past 15 years were the two most hyped European point guard prospects ever, Rubio and Doncic.
This isn't 2002 when most teams didn't know about Europe which allowed us to draft Tony.
It's 2024 and even the worst teams know everything they need to about these players.

It's just down to making the right decision and evaluating each player's potential.

Bad shooting, bad defense and average athleticism is way too many red flags for me if we talk Topic.

[JPB]

Good post, idk why does that stuff need to be explained to people who think NCAA is good these days.
Even if you don't watch anything other than the NBA, the sheer fact that everyone with NBA potential leaves college ball asap is enough to conclude that NCAA's talent level is at it's lowest point ever.

Still, as I wrote the other day I don't think drafting any European point guard is a good idea because the only ones that became legit NBA players over the past 15 years were the two most hyped European point guard prospects ever, Rubio and Doncic.
This isn't 2002 when most teams didn't know about Europe which allowed us to draft Tony.
It's 2024 and even the worst teams know everything they need to about these players.

It's just down to making the right decision and evaluating each player's potential.

Bad shooting, bad defense and average athleticism is way too many red flags for me if we talk Topic.

not gonna lie, not an ABA expert, but saying like I've read that NCAA is more organised, develop BB than second tier Euroleague teams is wrong. Not even close, any Euroleague team is clearly superioir to any NCAA team and their one or two promising teens, plus a bunch of amateur kids who are only discovering high level BB.

[Mr. Body]

Ok, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302519&p=11041588&viewfull=1#post 11041588 that you clearly didn't read...

Yesterday: You (Mr. Body), Spurraider21 and Baseline bum had all asserted that the NCAA was a higher level of compe ion than the ABA (where Topic plays). I proposed a little analysis to compare between the SEC and the ABA (again, see the linked post above). All of you have been in this thread since, but for some reason or other, none of you is willing to do your end of the research...

Yes, the NCAA is a better development environment for young players than the ABA for all the reasons I've stated. I'm not going to state them again, nor do whatever homework assignments you want me to do.

Young players who do not have a strong foundation are misery in G-League and in NBL and Euro leagues. It gets even harder to develop them when they go into the NBA at nineteen years old nowadays, and that includes NCAA players and players on our team, but at least the college level has some semblance of foundation for them.

I'm tired of having to explain a very simple concept over and over. It's been this way for decades and nothing about this has changed.

[Pauleta14]

Caricaturing a liltle It seems there's a develpment or assisant coach for every little thing in the NBA today like shoe lace development coach or coffe machine assistant.

Ah I see

In french it has a connotation of lack of competency mainly

which might very well be the case of today’s Spurs FO tbh, as I pointed before, constant personnel turnovers naturally leads to less competency at some point

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Generally speaking players that come from foreign leagues are much more prepared to be professional compared to the prep school and college circuit.

Domestic training has the advantage in some cases of higher talent but not for the top Euroleagues.

[LeBowen]

Generally speaking players that come from foreign leagues are much more prepared to be professional compared to the prep school and college circuit.

Domestic training has the advantage in some cases of higher talent but not for the top Euroleagues.

As I wrote before, it's not just about the quality of facilities, practice and games, mentality is as just as important.

Every talented European kid starts practicing with pros at 16 and gets put in his place.

Meanwhile if you're talented enough to dunk on fat kids in the US, you're instantly projected to be the town hero and noone can say anything against the next homegrown superstar.

It's way better to treat kids as if they'll be role players, talented ones will always break through and find their way to s om.

But if you're trying to develop superstars from the earliest age chances of failure are way higher, even with the most talented kids.

[Bruno]

It could be read both ways though: if a player is the recipient of such heavy investment, it would be an indication as to what his potential is perceived to be. Wasn't that Wemby's case last year, for example?
Also, he wasn't just putting empty stats, he was productive and efficient and doesn't seem to have hurt his team in any way, which could be the telltale for someone like you describe.

Topic is a real prospect and not just the product of his agent. For example, he was Euro U18 MVP last summer.

My point was just he was a team whose business plan has been, for nearly 20 years, to showcase young players from a specific agent. That's something I keep in mind when I look at Topic's stats in the first half of the season.

[spurraider21]

Ok, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302519&p=11041588&viewfull=1#post 11041588 that you clearly didn't read...

Yesterday: You (Mr. Body), Spurraider21 and Baseline bum had all asserted that the NCAA was a higher level of compe ion than the ABA (where Topic plays). I proposed a little analysis to compare between the SEC and the ABA (again, see the linked post above). All of you have been in this thread since, but for some reason or other, none of you is willing to do your end of the research...

i made no such assertion, nor am i interested in being assigned a homework project

[spurraider21]

You do seem to be having a fun time talking to yourself. I like how Dulicnea is trying to cultivate rep by talking to Bruno.

ever notice how you have never seen vy65, ariel, or myself in the same room at the same time?

come to think of it, you've never seen any of us. maybe we dont really exist. really is a beautiful mind situation (minus the genius part)

[vy65]

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ever notice how you have never seen vy65, ariel, or myself in the same room at the same time?

come to think of it, you've never seen any of us. maybe we dont really exist. really is a beautiful mind situation (minus the genius part)

back to the demeaning tactics. I like it. Now I suppose you are not angry.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Narcissistic rage is an intense emotional reaction that can occur in people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). It can involve:

Intense anger
Disproportionate response to the perceived provocation
Verbal or emotional abuse
Demeaning tactics to protect their self-image

[spurraider21]

back to the demeaning tactics. I like it. Now I suppose you are not angry.

why would i be angry? do you also think i was angry when i was watching Its Always Sunny during the pepe silvia scene too?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

why would i be angry? do you also think i was angry when i was watching Its Always Sunny during the pepe silvia scene too?

well because you exhibit all thee hallmarks of narcissistic rage of course. I know you think this smarmy tone sounds convincing in your NPD brain and cannot see it but it is there.