San Antonio Spurs vs. Denver Nuggets Game Thread

[rankingtear]

I agree, it doesn’t help and they often fear the TO too much

But those are rare situations and my issue with them is their lack of intent more than the raw numbers.

Look at their body language, they very rarely even look at him and it’s mind boggling considering how Victor had shown a willingness to pass the whole season.

Victor tries at least, sometimes leads to TOs but at least he’s trying. He’s showing his intentions to his teammates.

It rarely happens the other way around and it’s really mind boggling to the point of imagining any possible reasons. Lack of talent can’t be the only possibility after 60 games.

Not a fan of conspiracy theories but one could questions this whole spectacle.

If we notice it don’t you think Victor is as well questioning his teammates REAL intentions? I would

Can't see Tre having bad intentions toward Wemby. I trust a Jones brother to know if a pass would result in a turnover.

[Jordan Jackson]

The rest of the NBA finally notice Wemby is surrounded by below average players. Teams are going to beat up on him and double - which is going to take its toll mentally and physically.

Teams will dare his goofy teammates to make a shot or decision - which they can’t bc they aren’t talented.

The gap between Victor and his teammates has become wider since the start of the season. Not close. I don’t think they can wait for his teammates to figure it out. Most of them aren’t talented enough to wait for. IMO.

[Mnky]

So you’re just going to ignore the lack of spacing? It was crowded bc of it

not saying he’s exempt of critic but u have to look at the big picture and how his teammates make his life difficult as much as his opponents…

you’re also ignoring the energy expenditure bc he’s so active on defense and has no help on offense/no relief from his teammates

so yeah, anyone would struggle with these teammates. You’re at best expecting absurd productions all the time.

Why are you comparing Wemby, a confident superstar, to his teammates who might not be in the league in a couple years?

One of the first things I did waa say they missed some gimmies, as they usually do. They're bad. We know this.

Expecting the superstar to play like a superstar is not absurd. Wemby is a superstar. He's 20. He's amazing.

You guys are just making arguments up for some weird reason. Like you said, He's not exempt from critic.

[Mnky]

Wemby got exposed badly and shows he has much to learn in terms of fundamentals

Honestly love when the superstars go at him. He has so much to learn. He gets away with so many bad decisions and immature methods with his insane abilities.
If he's who we think he is, he will learn from it. You can definitely see the 20 yr old out there though, making the same mistakes in the 4th that the nuggets were abusing in the 1st.

[Pauleta14]

I don’t remember Tim putting pressure in his rookie season.

I don’t recall Pop going to France the way he went doing a seduction operation in the virgin island…

Since day 1 the whole organisation was doing anything to suit him.

It seems they have no hesitation using Victor as a Guinea pig for their never seen before high risk strategy of surrounding their generational pick with immature untalented players. Depriving him of any veterans that could help.

Pop is a genius, he doesn’t need vétérans I guess, his aura is enough

[Pauleta14]

Can't see Tre having bad intentions toward Wemby. I trust a Jones brother to know if a pass would result in a turnover.

I have a hard time too to imagine that. That’s means Tre is even less talented than we thought and even as a backup would be useless long term.

+50 games with a 7’4 player and 1.3 assists/game is fine for you?

Sochan averages 0,7 ast/game to Wemby on the whole season lmao and some of un see him as the future

[Pauleta14]

Why are you comparing Wemby, a confident superstar, to his teammates who might not be in the league in a couple years?

One of the first things I did waa say they missed some gimmies, as they usually do. They're bad. We know this.

Expecting the superstar to play like a superstar is not absurd. Wemby is a superstar. He's 20. He's amazing.

You guys are just making arguments up for some weird reason. Like you said, He's not exempt from critic.

Wemby isn’t a superstar yet, he’s still a rookie and has tons to learn. But some of u take for granted what he does it seems
opposing your pov doesn’t mean exonerating Victor, just adding some perspective bc big picture what he does or doesn’t (on offense) is directly linked to his teammates in(abilities).
you can’t dissociate those from ur analysis of Victor’s game.

Therr aren’t much he’ll be able to do except with fresher legs maybe but even the best players today wouldn’t do much being constantly double triple teamed + now they try the early foul trouble.

We can’t just say « Victor sucked today, he couldn’t do it by himself… »

Its a real show we’re watching which makes me respect him even more tbh. He must be boiling inside some games.

[Frenchfred]

I don’t recall Pop going to France the way he went doing a seduction operation in the virgin island…

Since day 1 the whole organisation was doing anything to suit him.

It seems they have no hesitation using Victor as a Guinea pig for their never seen before high risk strategy of surrounding their generational pick with immature untalented players. Depriving him of any veterans that could help.

Pop is a genius, he doesn’t need vétérans I guess, his aura is enough

Man, you have to accept that Wemby has bad games because he plays badly not just because his teammates are bad. Sometimes, he simply sucks and that’s normal he is a rookie

[Frenchfred]

I don’t recall Pop going to France the way he went doing a seduction operation in the virgin island…

Since day 1 the whole organisation was doing anything to suit him.

It seems they have no hesitation using Victor as a Guinea pig for their never seen before high risk strategy of surrounding their generational pick with immature untalented players. Depriving him of any veterans that could help.

Pop is a genius, he doesn’t need vétérans I guess, his aura is enough

what’s going on? You are unhappy because they didn’t treat Wemby the way they treated Duncan? Guess what, it was widely accepted that Duncan was going to be a superstar right away while Wemby was a more of a prospect that would need time. I’m not surprised that they didn’t go all in. Now they know what he can do so we’ll see who they bring to help him.

[Pauleta14]

Man, you have to accept that Wemby has bad games because he plays badly not just because his teammates are bad. Sometimes, he simply sucks and that’s normal he is a rookie

You’re totally missing my point

of course Wemby had a bad game. But what prevents u from having a nuances analysis and targeting the reasons for that bad performance?
If you ignore those you’ll never get why

[Pauleta14]

what’s going on? You are unhappy because they didn’t treat Wemby the way they treated Duncan? Guess what, it was widely accepted that Duncan was going to be a superstar right away while Wemby was a more of a prospect that would need time. I’m not surprised that they didn’t go all in. Now they know what he can do so we’ll see who they bring to help him.

AGAIN missing my point mate…

Spurs’s value gained 1 billion (!!!) with Wemby’s arrival, it’s litterally a cash cow and a miracle gifted to the Spurs but they’d prefer save money rather than surrounding a generational kid with veterans and talent that would prevent him from being double/triple teamed as soon as his rookie season.

What PATFO is doing isn’t « common sense » like they’ve been selling from day one but a strategy that has NEVER been done before.
For a reason maybe?

I haven’t heard one great player not telling stories about how important veterans were during their rookie seasons at so many levels.
but PATFO thought hey why spend money? Let’s just keep what we have, screw experience, we have Pop!!!


Its surreal observing most of you refusing to see the elephant in the room. It sometimes has the symptoms of religious fundamentalists

[Frenchfred]

You’re totally missing my point

of course Wemby had a bad game. But what prevents u from having a nuances analysis and targeting the reasons for that bad performance?
If you ignore those you’ll never get why

I’m not a homer, that’s all. I can tell when Wemby is not inspired, being late and sloppy. That has nothing to do with his teammates. I think that you lack objectivity, everybody is telling you that but you refuse to see it

[Frenchfred]

AGAIN missing my point mate…

Spurs’s value gained 1 billion (!!!) with Wemby’s arrival, it’s litterally a cash cow and a miracle gifted to the Spurs but they’d prefer save money rather than surrounding a generational kid with veterans and talent that would prevent him from being double/triple teamed as soon as his rookie season.

What PATFO is doing isn’t « common sense » like they’ve been selling from day one but a strategy that has NEVER been done before.
For a reason maybe?

I haven’t heard one great player not telling stories about how important veterans were during their rookie seasons at so many levels.
but PATFO thought hey why spend money? Let’s just keep what we have, screw experience, we have Pop!!!


Its surreal observing most of you refusing to see the elephant in the room. It sometimes has the symptoms of religious fundamentalists

and you are missing mine. People knew Wemby was a good prospect but few people knew that he would be that effective. That was not the case for Duncan, everybody knew that Duncan would be effective on day 1. So, I’m not blaming the front office for not getting all stars the first year and waiting to see how Wemby would acclimate to the NBA. Again, you have a very homer view and lack objectivity

[Pauleta14]

I’m not a homer, that’s all. I can tell when Wemby is not inspired, being late and sloppy. That has nothing to do with his teammates. I think that you lack objectivity, everybody is telling you that but you refuse to see it

As your previous answers already told me you tend to base your pov on perception more than facts.

At no point did I say he had a good game, I just pointed out some of the reasons for his bad perf that you seem to underestimate.
it’s as stupid as ppl who think whoever won is right. Let’s not hurt our brain…

[Pauleta14]

and you are missing mine. People knew Wemby was a good prospect but few people knew that he would be that effective. That was not the case for Duncan, everybody knew that Duncan would be effective on day 1. So, I’m not blaming the front office for not getting all stars the first year and waiting to see how Wemby would acclimate to the NBA. Again, you have a very homer view and lack objectivity

Then you haven’t read my post bc nothing in your answer is related to the fact that what PATFO is doing has never been done, for reasons.

even if they underestimated Wemby’s efficiency and adaptation what prevented them from surrounding him with vets?

It’d actually have been even more important had he not been that good. It’s either irresponsible or pretentious from PATFO to think they’re so smart they don’t need veterans to surround a french kid discovering a new country new rule new teammates etc

You keep finding absurd justification for PATFO’s decisions and THAT is just a Homer at ude.

[rankingtear]

I have a hard time too to imagine that. That’s means Tre is even less talented than we thought and even as a backup would be useless long term.

+50 games with a 7’4 player and 1.3 assists/game is fine for you?

Sochan averages 0,7 ast/game to Wemby on the whole season lmao and some of un see him as the future

You have blinders on in evaluating Wemby. It is the Lebron effect on fans. There is a clip on the tube where Wemby disrupts every action Tre is going for and somehow it turns into Tre hates him agenda. Nobody is going to be good enough. Let him be a rookie.

[Frenchfred]

As your previous answers already told me you tend to base your pov on perception more than facts.

At no point did I say he had a good game, I just pointed out some of the reasons for his bad perf that you seem to underestimate.
it’s as stupid as ppl who think whoever won is right. Let’s not hurt our brain…

stating that you base your opinion on facts and others don’t leaves very little room for discussion. Continue to be a homer, unlike many posters here who like to debate for hours, I don’t have that type of time to waste. You win.

[Splits]

even if they underestimated Wemby’s efficiency and adaptation what prevented them from surrounding him with vets?

It’d actually have been even more important had he not been that good. It’s either irresponsible or pretentious from PATFO to think they’re so smart they don’t need veterans to surround a french kid discovering a new country new rule new teammates etc

Do you have any specific suggestions on how they should have "surrounded him with vets" during the offseason? They brought in Osman, extended Collin, and decided to keep ~$20m in cap space for future flexibility. What specifically could have been done with that $20m last offseason? Vet FAs were very few and far between, and that wouldn't have been 1/2 enough to get Van Fleet. Sell all our recent draft pics and future draft pics for these "vets" via trade? Who was on the market we missed? Mortgage the future for Lillard?

Not defending them, but going all-in during the pre-rookie Wemby offseason was never in the cards. And if you've been watching the Spurs for as long you say you have, you should know they've never operated that way, especially in a ty FA class, and for good reason.

[Pauleta14]

stating that you base your opinion on facts and others don’t leaves very little room for discussion. Continue to be a homer, unlike many posters here who like to debate for hours, I don’t have that type of time to waste. You win.

You think there’s a compe ion (lmao) and go ad hominem all the time. Wow amazing argumentation

I guess it’s a way of admitting having no answer for Pop Guinea pig experience

[Pauleta14]

Do you have any specific suggestions on how they should have "surrounded him with vets" during the offseason? They brought in Osman, extended Collin, and decided to keep ~$20m in cap space for future flexibility. What specifically could have been done with that $20m last offseason? Vet FAs were very few and far between, and that wouldn't have been 1/2 enough to get Van Fleet. Sell all our recent draft pics and future draft pics for these "vets" via trade? Who was on the market we missed? Mortgage the future for Lillard?

Not defending them, but going all-in during the pre-rookie Wemby offseason was never in the cards. And if you've been watching the Spurs for as long you say you have, you should know they've never operated that way, especially in a ty FA class, and for good reason.

Again I’ve never advocated for the extrem opposite of what’s being done. Not sure why ppl refuse nuance (not u specifically)
A Brogdon would’ve been perfect for ex

Finding an inside presence especially after the season injury of Bassey should’ve been obvious as well

there are solutions other than Dame or FVV

Tbh I don’t know enough contract situations and other franchises plans as well as any FO who could be imaginative with all the pick they have.

There’s a pretentious way PATFO does things that is surreal to me.

[z0sa]

Again I’ve never advocated for the extrem opposite of what’s being done. Not sure why ppl refuse nuance (not u specifically)
A Brogdon would’ve been perfect for ex

Finding an inside presence especially after the season injury of Bassey should’ve been obvious as well

there are solutions other than Dame or FVV

Tbh I don’t know enough contract situations and other franchises plans as well as any FO who could be imaginative with all the pick they have.

There’s a pretentious way PATFO does things that is surreal to me.

I'm hoping against hope this season is the wake-up call for PATFO. I remember reading an SA journalist, McDonald probably, saying PATFO were "s shocked" by the lack of development many of our guys have shown. They're even going back to their old habits and totally missing Wemby and even Vassell for shots now. It's gotten outrageous -- if it's not Pop's fault, which I feel it is at least partially, then we really DO need to roll the dice on a vet or few. Even if it costs money. Osman is not that guy, not to hate on him, but obviously ..

[JPB]

Wemby got exposed badly and shows he has much to learn in terms of fundamentals

Jokic is a league MVP. He has exposed everybody he's played against in the NBA. And that's the first times Victor is playing him. Vic is a quick learner, won't take him years to get it.

[ambchang]

Man you’re so smart…

ok you win! I’ll admit it. I registered on ST in 2009 when I meat a 6yo Victor with a Spurs jersey. I thought if all goes well…

WTF does this have to do with anything


Read your own posts. None of them make any sense and it’s to a point where poster after poster are calling you out for over protecting wemby and casts blame on everybody else. The spurs won 14 games so far, you got called out for a solution and your big idea to solve everything is brogdon? Really? The guy who’s playing on a team with a worse point differential than us? What is brogdan expected to do with his nuanced plays to make the spurs into a successful team? And what were the spurs supposed to give up to get him?

Wemby is great but he’s not perfect. In fact it’s to our advantage that he’s not because there is still room to improve.

He had a bad game relatively, he missed multiple assignments and got lost on d, he settled for jump shots in the game. Not everything is because of his teammates sucking. The nuggets were just a better team.

The way the team is going I’d rather the spurs sit on cap flexibility and a trove of picks than to splurge on has beens and never wills.

[Pauleta14]

WTF does this have to do with anything


Read your own posts. None of them make any sense and it’s to a point where poster after poster are calling you out for over protecting wemby and casts blame on everybody else. The spurs won 14 games so far, you got called out for a solution and your big idea to solve everything is brogdon? Really? The guy who’s playing on a team with a worse point differential than us? What is brogdan expected to do with his nuanced plays to make the spurs into a successful team? And what were the spurs supposed to give up to get him?

Wemby is great but he’s not perfect. In fact it’s to our advantage that he’s not because there is still room to improve.

He had a bad game relatively, he missed multiple assignments and got lost on d, he settled for jump shots in the game. Not everything is because of his teammates sucking. The nuggets were just a better team.

The way the team is going I’d rather the spurs sit on cap flexibility and a trove of picks than to splurge on has beens and never wills.

Hey smart ass, you didn’t think much before writing ur post did u?

why don’t u go and create a forum reserved only for ppl who share the exact same pov than ur?

It seems diff opinions have a bad effect on your mental Heath…

”poster after poster…” = you mean TWO?

Ur whole post conveniently ignores every points and nuances I made, no surprise here tbh, it’s a lot easier to argue vs an extrem or caricatural pov!

last time I waste my time with you. Just put me on ignore kiddo

[Frenchfred]

You think there’s a compe ion (lmao) and go ad hominem all the time. Wow amazing argumentation

I guess it’s a way of admitting having no answer for Pop Guinea pig experience

I said: you win with me. I let you continue defending Wemby no matter how he plays with other people