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    This team needs a pg.If its not by trade or free agency,Its gonna have to be thru the draft.Ive seen enough of branham,wesley and tre
    to know they cant help wemby or this team to the next level of being decent.
    Yeah, I know the team needs a PG— I just don’t think we should cross our fingers and think that it will come from the 33rd pick.

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    What makes you think a project pg at 33 will be any better than Wesley & Tre? Those two were picked around that position. What is it about the unknown that makes us believe it’s better than what we have today? We’re lucky Tre turned out to be as good as he is given his draft spot. To hope that lightning will strike twice is pointless.
    Blake was a swing for the fences, if you wanted to play it safe that same draft you had Nembhard, for instance (went 31).

    I actually think coming away with a rotational level PG (or center) with a good 2nd rounder isn't an unrealistic scenario, the thing is: are they any better than you have (Tre), can sign as a FA (Tyus Jones, Monte Morris) or can get for a 2nd rounder (McConnell) or two (Brogdon)?

    I'd like to target someone with potential to (at least) eventually be part of a 8/9 man rotation for a good team, can shoot and doesn't take years to develop, if such a guy isn't available then probably trading for a vet would be preferable.

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    It would seem to me that #33 would be worth a pretty decent rotation level player... #33 last year only got us 2026 and 2028 SRPs, which seems to line up. We'll see. Doesn't seem like the Spurs want to take high SRPs.

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    I'd love them to be aggressive with the 33/SRP and move it up if they can. Within reason - only using SRP packages if possible. There are going to be some nice players in the 20-30ish range. A player like Kyshawn George would be a really great get, although I think he could push lottery range once the workouts and combines hit.

    Also, I think the team might draft for fit more than we think. Not a Sarr, but rather players we already have, such as guard templates. Like, would they go for a Stephon Castle, who is a multi-skill big guard who has shooting troubles when they already have Cissoko?

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    My favourite late options for second round picks at 33 would be Kel'el Ware and DaRon Holmes. They've both up and down draft boards, and different state as complete players, but good options as potential shooting big bets (Ware higher upside, DaRon a better player for now).

    If CMB is there at 33 I'd jump on him, but I think he'll head back or get a promise in the first. Ajay Mitc has been my #1 target for the Lakers pick, but that's open to change, and I think anyone who appears to be a decent option is OK - can't really expect much from #43 or so.

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    I thought this Mar 15 mock had some interesting selection positions

    https://www.nba.com/news/bleacher-re...-play-heats-up

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    Also- tankathon just updated player rankings 12 hours ago for the first time in 23 days

    Walter falls a bit and Devin Carter rose into the late lottery but mostly still the same

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    However, I think french prospect were, and maybe still are, overrated by NBA teams.
    I agree.

    You could argue so are most of the prospects drafted in the NBA who for many of them will fail, and statiscally the percentage of draftted french players who had a succesful career is actually pretty high... (TP, Noah, Batum, Diaw, Gobert, Turiaf, Fournier (a bit) Mahinmi (decent) Wemby, (Bilal also will I beleive)...

    The problem, I would say, and that's where you're right saying they're overrrated,.is how high you pick them... Taking a flyer on Hayes or Ntilikina is not that crazy in a vacuum, but 7th and 8th IS kinda crazy. that's the kind of kids spurs may have (and actually did) picked with their late 20s pick back in the day, not a lottery one.

    It's' probably a mix of trend, some french players actually having an actual NBA career, and wanting to find "that next gem", the next Giannis/Luka/Jokic, from Europe. But I'm honestly surprised NBA GMs (not all anyway) don't even seem to talk with french scouts or french "specialists", or just us you know , about frenchies they're drafting, who would tell them to stay away or at least not pick them that high... People scratch their heads in France sometimes when they see how french prospects are evaluated in the NBA.

    that's why as such sa GM, for a top pick anwyway, I would only go for fundamentally sound, high BBIQ, all around french players (like Risacher) over just raw athleticism or speed... You might not get a superstar but you have more chances at a valuable, contributing player (like Batum, Bobo...).

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    As someone who doesn't watch a whole lot of college basketball, why should(or shouldn't) the spurs draft Reed Sheppard, and why would drafting someone like him be any different then say a player like Jimmer Fredette?

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    As someone who doesn't watch a whole lot of college basketball, why should(or shouldn't) the spurs draft Reed Sheppard, and why would drafting someone like him be any different then say a player like Jimmer Fredette?
    Jimmer was more of a ball-dominant lead guard who was very high usage, primarily to shoot a lot. Sheppard is more off-ball and highly efficient when he does shoot. He's also far, far better as a defender, especially as a help defender, although questions persist about his man defense.

    Other than defense, Jimmer was never able to scale down into a low-usage shooting role and Sheppard already does that.

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    Who was the Jimmer-lover on this board? Forget that assclown's handle but gdamn those were some funny times

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    I actually think coming away with a rotational level PG (or center) with a good 2nd rounder isn't an unrealistic scenario.
    still possible in a vacuum but that's actually an extremely low probabliity. Around 20% of second rounders are still in the NBA 5 to 10 years later, most of them 3rd stringers or bench fillers.

    This graph (from 2019) looks at how many players drafted between 5 and 10 years before were still actively playing in the NBA.



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    still possible in a vacuum but that's actually an extremely low probabliity. Around 20% of second rounders are still in the NBA 5 to 10 years later, most of them 3rd stringers or bench fillers.

    This graph (from 2019) looks at how many players drafted between 5 and 10 years before were still actively playing in the NBA.


    I wonder if this has been changing from 2019. There's been a great shift in how teams draft. There have always been upside swing picks in the lottery, but it's gone into overdrive, while older, more skilled players are getting pushed later.

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    I wonder if this has been changing from 2019 like my gender identification.

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    Jimmer was more of a ball-dominant lead guard who was very high usage, primarily to shoot a lot. Sheppard is more off-ball and highly efficient when he does shoot. He's also far, far better as a defender, especially as a help defender, although questions persist about his man defense.

    Other than defense, Jimmer was never able to scale down into a low-usage shooting role and Sheppard already does that.
    Would you say his floor and ceiling could be from a jj red to a high klay thompson?

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    I wonder if this has been changing from 2019 like my gender identification. There's been a great shift in how much I like the shaft

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    Would you say his floor and ceiling could be from a jj red to a high klay thompson?
    Maybe a Red but with lead guard potential and probably better defense. Both JJ and Klay are bigger.

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    Who was the Jimmer-lover on this board? Forget that assclown's handle but gdamn those were some funny times
    spurtacular aka derp

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    a couple of draftnicks have the Spurs drafting #1 and still pulling Reed Shepherd. I don't know if they are trolling but I live in SEC country and Reed is ok for a college player but I can't imagine any team drafting him #1 overall. He doesn't have the physical traits to dominate in the NBA, like a #1 overall should. He feels like a try hard coaches son type which in college can dominate an ultra athletic but poor BBIQ player. However in the League you have elite athletes who are seasoned vets as well who will cook that type of player. You want elite athletes that have killer instinct and high BBIQ. You might be able to increase a players BBIQ and killer instinct isn't necessary but you can't coach athleticism. Athleticism isn't the end all be all but you can't succeed in the NBA without it. There are too many smart athletic players. IOW you might be able to teach Dilly what Reed has, I do not think you can coach Reed to have what Dilly has. Not that I would take Dilly #1 either. I am kinda hoping for Sarr now.

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    ah yes, one of the few to get the IP banhammer because of his 100 alts

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    A view from outside. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks. That's why I know relatively exactly who was discussed here. But also who was NOT discussed. So I'll add my 2 cents too. For weeks, practically all experts have been saying that this draft is, firstly, weak and, above all, wide open. Ok, so be it. But why is there so little movement in the mocks and why are only the same six or seven names discussed here again and again?
    That’s why I bring Jared McCain on the table, who is, in my opinion, currently the most underrated player from this class. Almost all mocks have it in the 20s. The Ringer now has him at 15. My theory: he could/should climb into the top 10. Because anyone who discusses Sheppard in the Top 10 should also discuss McCain. Yes I know, the numbers……..but. McCain still suffers from a slow start when he struggled to figure out his role as a low usage off guard. Took him (and Scheyer) a month. Remove those first 8 games (when he produced 7.6 PPG) and you get numbers close to Dillingham’s.
    Common sense is that Sheppard is the best shooter in the draft. Right? My theory: McCain is the second best shooter in the draft and he will be the best shooter in this draft class in the NBA. Because McCain takes (and hits) absolutely every kind of 3-pointer. Of the catch, of the dribble, step back, transition, 5 feet behind the line, etc. great stroke, quick release.
    They say, McCain is undersized for a shooting guard and not an explosive athlete. Yes. But we pretty much know that Sheppard will be measured 6’1’’ in socks (and Dillingham 6’0’’). McCain will be measured between 6’2 and 6’3 in socks. Not great for a two. But he isn’t a two. Well, at least he has all the tools to be a competent combo guard, if not a lead guard, in the NBA. Good ball handler, can stop on a dime, good feel for the game, decent passer (will get better, that’s the area most players improve). Duke plays a 3 guard line up and because of the fact, that McCain is so much better off the ball than Roach and Proctor, he just doesn’t get much of a chance to play on the ball. (He showed in High School he could.). You could claim we see the Kentucky effect with a Duke guard.
    Defense. McCain is not a great defender. But he isn’t a bad defender either. He is not very quick, but he is definitely very strong. And he gives effort and plays physical. That’s also a reason way he is one of the better rebounder from this class. He has those super strong tree trunk legs and he uses his strength to box out, even much bigger players.
    I don’t like the comparisons that most scouting reports use. (Seth Curry, Quickley, Forbes), I see him somewhere in the mold of Jamal Murray or Tyrese Maxey.
    Talking about Maxey….if someone had brought him up as a Top 10 player in 2020, everyone would have called that a reach. Not a true PG, strong, but to small for a SG, not explosive enough, below the rim etc. Hindsight tells he was in fact Top 5.
    Last but not least……McCain is smart. I mean very very smart. (4.0 GPA in high school). He is very eloquent, outstanding interviews. Charismatic. Very positive presence. Great teammate, great leader.
    Would I consider him at pick 7. You bet. As much as Dillingham and Sheppard. And I would pick him over Topic anytime.

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    a couple of draftnicks have the Spurs drafting #1 and still pulling Reed Shepherd. I don't know if they are trolling but I live in SEC country and Reed is ok for a college player but I can't imagine any team drafting him #1 overall. He doesn't have the physical traits to dominate in the NBA, like a #1 overall should. He feels like a try hard coaches son type which in college can dominate an ultra athletic but poor BBIQ player. However in the League you have elite athletes who are seasoned vets as well who will cook that type of player. You want elite athletes that have killer instinct and high BBIQ. You might be able to increase a players BBIQ and killer instinct isn't necessary but you can't coach athleticism. Athleticism isn't the end all be all but you can't succeed in the NBA without it. There are too many smart athletic players. IOW you might be able to teach Dilly what Reed has, I do not think you can coach Reed to have what Dilly has. Not that I would take Dilly #1 either. I am kinda hoping for Sarr now.
    Sheppard had a fantastic game against Tennessee and the world went out of its mind. He's promising, to be sure, but those physical limitations give pause. I also can't help noticing that when playing together it's his fellow freshman that keeps running the show and is usually the one heroically trying to create runs or bring the team back from the brink. There's also a vacuum up top in this draft and collectively we keep trying to put someone there.

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    A view from outside. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks. That's why I know relatively exactly who was discussed here. But also who was NOT discussed. So I'll add my 2 cents too. For weeks, practically all experts have been saying that this draft is, firstly, weak and, above all, wide open. Ok, so be it. But why is there so little movement in the mocks and why are only the same six or seven names discussed here again and again?
    That’s why I bring Jared McCain on the table, who is, in my opinion, currently the most underrated player from this class...
    I admit I've only watched McCain tangentially when mostly watching for Filipowski. I've heard that McCain is super-quirky and smart, as you say, which I think would contribute greatly to team culture.

    The strikes on him, as far as I can tell:

    - He seems one-dimensional, mostly an off-ball shooter. Now, that's great! But limits what he can do.
    - As you say, his defense isn't really great.
    - He's a year older than most freshmen. This tends to get overrated in my mind, though. (Sheppard will be 20 shortly after the draft, six months before Dillingham. Does this really matter?)
    - Duke guards haven't been great. Not fair to him, but a reason for the 'brand'

    Good notes:

    - Duke has several ballhandlers, so his chances to facilitate may simply be curtailed and not shown yet
    - Fantastic ft%
    - Rebounds pretty well for a guard, something we need

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    Thanks for the response Mr Body, I feel the same way when it comes to Dilly and Reed. This is a not great obvious choice draft. Speaking of which everyone is overly excited about next year's Cooper Flag draft. I don't follow High School kids and barely knew who Wemby was before last year but why is everyone so enamored with Flagg? Is he an American Luka? And even if he were how could you tell because in Europe Luka was torching adult pros, torching fellow high schoolers isn't the same thing. He seems to be the next big thing but I am curious as to why he is projected to be all that? Is he like a pg, or sg or sf or pf. I truly don't know but if he were a center I am sure I would know that.

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    A view from outside. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks. That's why I know relatively exactly who was discussed here. But also who was NOT discussed. So I'll add my 2 cents too. For weeks, practically all experts have been saying that this draft is, firstly, weak and, above all, wide open. Ok, so be it. But why is there so little movement in the mocks and why are only the same six or seven names discussed here again and again?
    That’s why I bring Jared McCain on the table, who is, in my opinion, currently the most underrated player from this class. Almost all mocks have it in the 20s. The Ringer now has him at 15. My theory: he could/should climb into the top 10. Because anyone who discusses Sheppard in the Top 10 should also discuss McCain. Yes I know, the numbers……..but. McCain still suffers from a slow start when he struggled to figure out his role as a low usage off guard. Took him (and Scheyer) a month. Remove those first 8 games (when he produced 7.6 PPG) and you get numbers close to Dillingham’s.
    Common sense is that Sheppard is the best shooter in the draft. Right? My theory: McCain is the second best shooter in the draft and he will be the best shooter in this draft class in the NBA. Because McCain takes (and hits) absolutely every kind of 3-pointer. Of the catch, of the dribble, step back, transition, 5 feet behind the line, etc. great stroke, quick release.
    They say, McCain is undersized for a shooting guard and not an explosive athlete. Yes. But we pretty much know that Sheppard will be measured 6’1’’ in socks (and Dillingham 6’0’’). McCain will be measured between 6’2 and 6’3 in socks. Not great for a two. But he isn’t a two. Well, at least he has all the tools to be a competent combo guard, if not a lead guard, in the NBA. Good ball handler, can stop on a dime, good feel for the game, decent passer (will get better, that’s the area most players improve). Duke plays a 3 guard line up and because of the fact, that McCain is so much better off the ball than Roach and Proctor, he just doesn’t get much of a chance to play on the ball. (He showed in High School he could.). You could claim we see the Kentucky effect with a Duke guard.
    Defense. McCain is not a great defender. But he isn’t a bad defender either. He is not very quick, but he is definitely very strong. And he gives effort and plays physical. That’s also a reason way he is one of the better rebounder from this class. He has those super strong tree trunk legs and he uses his strength to box out, even much bigger players.
    I don’t like the comparisons that most scouting reports use. (Seth Curry, Quickley, Forbes), I see him somewhere in the mold of Jamal Murray or Tyrese Maxey.
    Talking about Maxey….if someone had brought him up as a Top 10 player in 2020, everyone would have called that a reach. Not a true PG, strong, but to small for a SG, not explosive enough, below the rim etc. Hindsight tells he was in fact Top 5.
    Last but not least……McCain is smart. I mean very very smart. (4.0 GPA in high school). He is very eloquent, outstanding interviews. Charismatic. Very positive presence. Great teammate, great leader.
    Would I consider him at pick 7. You bet. As much as Dillingham and Sheppard. And I would pick him over Topic anytime.
    My thought is if you’re shooting a ton of 3s, but only dishing 1.8 dimes, you’re not a PG, you’re an undersized SG.

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