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McCain. Interesting thoughts. Duke guards rarely get discussed, but perhaps because there's so many of them.
He does look like a classic Spurs player, a Primo type.
Here's an interesting profile:
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jare...more-than-just
My thoughts that are you should learn how to type in distinct sentences. Use the <<return>> button to create paragraphs.
Nobody can read this wall of text except diehards like Mr. TransBody
McCain. Interesting thoughts. Duke guards rarely get discussed, but perhaps because there's so many of them.
He does look like a classic Spurs player, a Primo type.
Here's an interesting profile:
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jare...more-than-just
Flagg seems like a big, athletic, toolsy SF with potentially great defense, compe ive at ude, (possibly y), who right now isn't a great shooter or scorer other than due to his physical gifts.
Is everyone convinced that we're trading the second rounders? I'd love to take Zach Edey at 32 if he's available
I think it depends A LOT on two main things (of course there are other factors at play too, but these are the two biggest variables IMO):
1) Does the TOR pick convey?
2) Do we make a trade for someone like Trae where we have multiple players going out for one player coming in?
The Spurs seemed disinclined to take high SRPs the last two years (trading away #33 and #38). In the case where we traded #38, we had just picked 3 other guys - so that made sense. Maybe trading #33 was just a recognition of the continued limited bandwidth to properly develop youth. Maybe that changes this year? I also get the sense that for SRPs, the Spurs have a very narrow list of targets and if those aren't available they prefer to just punt rather than take on a project they really aren't that keen on (which is a philosophy I rather like).
history shows we dont use em....Will most likely sell it.But guess will see.
We could have as many as 6 FRPS this draft and next. That’s a lot of guaranteed contracts and roster spots.
can people stop talking about Boban Edey as if he's worth considering?
Didn't Embiid drop like 70 points on us? Thinking about someone with bulk isn't a bad idea.can people stop talking about Boban Edey as if he's worth considering?
If he falls to the 2nd round, I would be happy with Tyler Kolek. He has done a very nice job the last two seasons at Marquette. I feel he would be an absolute steal in the 2nd round.
An issue with pulling in rookies is roster spots. I feel a number of players are in liminal places of uncertainty. Not that they're good or bad, but whether their advancement should be continued.
Blake Wesley
Malaki Branham
Charles Bassey
Dom Barlow
Julian Champagnie
I realize most of this crazy place thinks all these players are worthless and should be shot in a ditch, but for two problems, 1) there are no current replacements, even if they're not great, and 2) I doubt the team is as down on them as the asylum members.
That said, of course I don't think Champ has a long future here beyond a deep bench backup. Bassey is a super question mark. He might have really altered the trajectory of the season, at least a little bit.
My guess is next season (or part of season) will determine whether to cut bait on some of those guys. Do I feel any of them are championship caliber? No. Do I feel they can possibly contribute to getting us into the playoffs? Yes. They're gonna have to until we replace any stragglers, and that's gonna take time. Meantime, it's about building a winning culture somehow and getting Ws.
So, anyway... I think there are types the Spurs will be looking for -- point, wing, backup big -- and we sort of have backup bigs. Throwing in more than two rookies this summer probably gums things up too much. Can we say a big drafted at 33 is actually going to be better than Bassey? No, not really. This is one reason I think they wouldn't have taken Trayce Jackson-Davis last year, because they believed in Barlow and wanted to see where he was going.
If they don't get the Toronto pick (or trade it away), then I see them taking the 33 pick. I think they're gonna boot the SRP that is currently 43 (LAL). (Of course they could what they did last year and trade out the better one, but either way.)
embiid had 8 other games this season scoring 40+
he scores on anybody and everybody. edey wouldnt fare any better. if wemby was giving him the elbow jumper, you can get your ass edey will
if you wanted to sell me on a big man defender its Clingan. he at least looks like he's functionally mobile. edey just looks like boban. id rather take ivisic than edey since he seems to have somewhat modern nba skills
Thanks for the post, Mr. Body. I agree that the Spurs are at a crossroads with these players specifically, especially with what at this point we can only assume will be an upcoming influx of new talent, by virtue of all the picks we have coming up. That necessarily puts in a position were we can no longer afford to be as patient with prospects, for better or worse.
With the players you mentioned, whether fair or not, I think the following cir stances apply:
Blake - largely depends on what other PG talent is brought in. I think most of us would agree he is not ready to be a true backup PG on a team that is play-in contender or better. I do think there is plenty of space for him to keep developing as the third PG, but a lot of that depends on other decisions that don’t involve Blake. It appears the Spurs view Tre as an important part of the corporate culture going forward. If the Spurs made a move for another PG (whether a big move like Trae or something smaller like Brogdon or Tyus), AND drafted a Topic or Dilly, then there just isn’t any room for Blake and he’s the odd man out.
Bassey - I am a Bassey truther with personal bias towards him, so that should be said up front. But I think he can be a very useful player as the third big or even the backup C. He’s has demonstrated elite rebounding and rim protection skills. He has shown some offensive flashes, but seems to be on a tight leash. His biggest problem, and it’s a big one, he can’t stay healthy. But he is on a cheap, non-guaranteed deal, which is helpful. Unless you decide to stick with Collins AND take Filipowski or Clingan with the TOR pick (for some reason), I don’t see a need to move on from him other than concerns about his health.
Barlow - Kind of a similar case as Bassey. He’ll be on a cheap deal, shows potential, and doesn’t do much harm as a third stringer. He clearly does not fit with Wemby (where Bassey + Wemby combos actually seemed to have some promise), but still has usefulness on the deep bench.
Champ - similar case above, but now Champ has had a taste of being a starter. Can he transition back to a role more appropriate to him, which is 3rd string SF? Ideally our SF rotation is Draft Pick/Keldon or New Vet/Draft Pick. If Champ can transition back to a third string role, he’s another cheap, non-guaranteed guy who fits well on the deep bench.
Branham - I left him for last on purpose, because I think his case is a little different. I think he is more advanced than Blake or Champ and isn’t necessarily appropriate for a third string role, but it’s also not entirely clear to me that he is good enough or the right archetype for the role he best fits (6th/7th man, bench scorer). We need him to be a Cam Thomas-like scorer for us to be most effective, but he’s just not that good and I don’t get the sense that he ever will be. If we were okay with tanking for a few years, I wouldn’t give up on him yet because he can still develop, but I fear that we will want to move faster than his timeline will allow in the role we need him to play.
scott, nice thoughts.
I think Wesley will get drafted over before long, perhaps next year, unless they take Castle this year. Blake may have a nice career as a rotation defender, but the Spurs will likely have enough drafts to get that template or better and he doesn't provide enough otherwise - not believing in his jumpshot, for example. But he's come a long way since the beginning of the year.
Champ, I think, knows he's a rotation player at best and will be content going back onto the bench somewhere. That's just my impression. He's not a priority in any way, but seems to have proved that he will stick in the league for a while.
Bassey's real issue is his health. Two years in a row with leg problems, which doesn't bode well. When he did play, there was a lot to like.
Barlow, my guess is he's a rotation guy somewhere, but also needs more development. It's clear he's not there, but has also come a very long way. A lot of physical attributes, a great at ude, and developing skills. I think he'll tap out/plateau at some point, but not sure where that is. Can he be a true rotation guy on a playoff team? Right now it's hard to imagine, but who knows.
Branham is better than many here think, but it's been a rough road. More than any other player, I feel like the work he's putting in is bubbling beneath the surface and breaking through here or there. I also am not quite sure what his role is going to be and whether it happens with the Spurs, but if he can figure it out and play confidently, there's a real player here.
Better than Zach Collinscan people stop talking about Boban Edey as if he's worth considering?
ha ha giggle snort you da man upvotes i just myself
Some thoughts about the Spurs pick.
What is the most obvious need? Keep Wemby happy, that’s it!
And this does include the Wembanyama family, who obviously play an important role in Victor’s life.
(Spurs learned it the hard way, what role family can play in a player decision. Of course I’m not comparing Uncle to the Wembanyamas.)
I remember that Bruno pointed out the close ties of the Webanyama and the Risacher families, but this went more or less unnoticed on this board.
This draft offers no sure fire home run, no matter if they pick at 1 or 3 or 6. Topic or Sarr or Dillingham or whoever will be the same risk to bust like Risacher.
But can the Spurs risk to NOT DRAFT Risacher, assuming they had the chance, when there is also the risk that he shines with an other team, while the own pick busts?
What will this scenario do to the relationship of Wemby with the Spurs? Will he trust their decisions any longer?
If they draft Risacher, who fills many needs anyhow, and he fails, the Spurs will still have brought in the player and friend Wemby had wished they will bring in.
Btw. ….in a different scenario, if Risacher is off the board, I can see the Spurs try to trade for Coulibaly. For similar reasons and because he as well would fit the need.
(If he was a better shooter, this would be a no brainer.).
Would the Wizards be willing to talk this trade? Let’s say the Raptors pick plus Branham for Coulibaly?
(the Wizards will ask for the Spurs pick, but the Spurs don’t do this and will sweeten the deal with either another pick, maybe 33, or a young player).
Kawhi is a hood rat sociopath whose father was murdered by gangsters. His sister murdered an old lady in a casino bathroom for the contents of her purse. To say this family is disfunctional would be an understatement. His life experienced is both figuratively and literally half a world away from Victors. I’m sure the Spurs are keeping the Wembanyamas in the loop on The Plan, and I think Risacher is on their radar, but if he isn’t at the top of their draft board when their pick goes on the clock, they won’t pick him.
I think Wemby is smart enough to know that picking players just because of personal relationships isn't the way to go. I'm sure Risacher has and will be thoroughly scouted and having a recommendation as to his personality is fantastic, but I don't think it's an automatic pick for that reason.
I just don’t understand why people would parallel wemby with nephew. The spurs won 67 games back then. The raptors won a le for Pete’s sake. Nephew was going to LA no matter what. Unless the spurs were willing to la there was no keeping him. It was obvious. The only thing the spurs should have done was trading him when he was asking for it behind close doors (which I assumed he did).
Wembys situation is closer to Lebrons first stint with Cleveland. Only the spurs are even worse and the rules have shortened the timeline with wemby having to be on the spurs.
With our pick, I'm assuming Risacher, Cody Williams, Stephon Castle, or Buzelis. If we get the Toronto pick, basically I'm good with Knecht, and if not then Jared McCain. His shooting is so good, and we have to get a reliable shooter in my opinion. I'm sort of of higher on Jared than Reed for short guys that can shoot. Jared is probably undervalued and may have some upside as point guard, a position he played in HS, I believe.
Knecht also played point in HS, which is helpful as well in their learning curve.
Disagree that Bassey's a good fit next to Wemby. When Bassey went down with injury Wemby was still playing out of position at PF. Now that Wemby moved to C him and Bassey will look unplayable together on offense.
I think there's a high likelyhood that one of Blake Wesley or Malaki Branham is not on this team next year
their 3rd year salaries are already guaranteed. the question is whether they will elect to exercise their 4th year options before the start of the season. given their small salaries its still pretty likely imo
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