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DJ Wagner, Tyrese Proctor and Ajay Mitc are some second round candidates to keep an eye out on as well. Wagner and Proctor are probably best off staying in school, though.
Doubt it but I wonder if there’s a move back move in the draft where we get a player + a pick
DJ Wagner, Tyrese Proctor and Ajay Mitc are some second round candidates to keep an eye out on as well. Wagner and Proctor are probably best off staying in school, though.
I would say it depends on the rest of the lineup. With a lot of strong offensive players, you can have someone like Castle. If your forwards are Champagnie and Sochan, you definitively need more offensively from your PG than what Castle is projected to do.
Fair but I don’t see the Spurs replacing those guys anytime soon. Not for more than two years at least.
Yeah, spurs badly need some scoring whether at the wing or PG (or both) but I don't thnk you'll really find that in this year's draft, not in the short term anywyay.
Any updates on Topic? Shouldn’t he have been slated to return from injury by now? Or is he just going to sit out the rest of the year to preserve his draft stock?
I mean, if Champagnie is still your starting SF in 2 years, Wemby quits the NBA. And Sochan is not a good fit with Wemby in the SL. he could also be used in a trade. PF, SF and PG are 3 spots spurs need to badly upgrade.
Whether they need to be upgraded or not is up for debate. When I say “replaced” I meant pulled out of the rotation completely. There will still be players here from the current roster two years from now and will still be core contributors. If you follow this team, they like to keep players. I’m being realistic and using what I’ve seen from this team for decades. I know that blows your mind because of your hopes and desires, but this is reality buddy.
Because I was curious... I went and looked it up.
Historically, the Spurs are actually kind of a mixed bag and my guess is that if you averaged out the entire Pop era, the Spurs would be around the top 10 in the league in terms of roster continuity. https://www.basketball-reference.com...ontinuity.html
If I get time later I might actually try and aggregate the data to see where the Spurs rank overall in the Pop area in term so of average roster continuity, rather than year by year. If I do, I'll start a new thread.
The team is in a situation they haven't been in since 1989 and they cleared that roster from 88-89 quick. Alvin Robertson was a way better player than Vassell, night and day better, and they moved him and Cadillac Anderson for Terry mings. Johnny Dawkins was a better prospect than Sochan and they moved him for Mo Cheeks. And they were both the right moves. Vassell is about the only player I can still see here in 3 years as a core player possibly, but he could easily be moved to upgrade the roster and I wouldn't complain. Tre will probably get too expensive to keep for a backup PG.
please do man. That would be an interesting thread and i’ll be happy to own up if i’m incorrect.
I do not think you will be. It will be a fun project though to see what teams are really turnover happy (just looking at the chart you can kind of see it. LOL Knicks). What would be more interesting to me, which I'm not sure I want to take on as a project... would be 2nd and 3rd (and maybe even 5th) year Roster Continuity rates. I did a little bit of this analysis before the season, too bad the search function is broken.
Talent is always subjective, turnover rate is not. Spurs are consistent in some of their ways, and this is one of those ways where I think they’ll be consistent in, regardless of how people view the talent that’s there and needs to be replaced.
The question was about picking guys to replace Champ or Sochan in the SL (obviously).
Anyway, I do'nt think you should rely on the past, that's actually not as clear as you present it, to assume how spurs are gonna act today in that unique situation they're in and with that unique player.
End of story I'm really not sure these guys are still here in 2 years. Sochan maybe on the bench but Champ certainly not as a core member.
We talked about the 1989 Model a lot before the season, with folks (like myself and BB) advocating for a similar approach, which led to some fun discussions about TC (cliff's notes: dude was a boss before he tore up his knee).
Big problem is that was a completely different regime with completely different approach to team building and different motivations. Yes, Pop and RC were part of that staff as Assistant Coaches, but I'm not sure they would say they learned much from Bob Bass.
Castle is super intriguing because of his switchability on defense. If he gets an offensive game he's probably the best player from this draft.
I think it is a really fascinating discussion. It's insightful to look at the past, since we've had continuity in the FO for a long time. While the past does point to a higher than average rate of continuity, the past also has moments where the FO clearly were okay with moving favored young pieces in big strategic moves. George Hill for Kawhi being the most prominent (and maybe the only?) big example that might have any kind of similarities to "big" or surprising moves we might make now. DWhite and DJM trades being the other examples, though those were in a selling frame of mind rather than a building.
I'm hoping that RC, Pop and Brian Wright have the cajones to make a big move if it presents itself. I think Wright does... the elder statesmen might be more hesitant
You're judging them against mostly an era where they were the most successful team in the history of the league. Of course turnover was going to be low then when they were le contenders for nearly 30 years. Now they're coming off a horrific season that caught them off guard and you have to expect some big changes when they can't afford to screw up this chance they got landing Victor.
Interestingly, some of the higher year over year continuity rates in the Pop era came in the Post-Nephew era, not in the heyday of the Big 3 era. I'll definitely do a post a little later.
I am kind liking Payton Sandfort - 6'7 SF - Iowa - His 3 ball is good .379% to go with his FT% .911 and I like his REB 6.6 to go with his AST 2.7. I would not mind using our late second round pick on him or giving the kid a camp invite. His game is pretty good on the offensive side as he can shoot and he has good court vision and has pretty good handles. On the defensive side he is not good but neither is he that bad...good bench guy for future.
Castle will probably be on the short list for the Spurs' first round pick. I'm stuck fearing he's Dyson Daniels, more or less, and that we need more from our pick this year. Or that he's somewhat the same configuration as Cissoko - lots of tools, with shooting not one of them. And the idea of starting him with Sochan is a bit scary. (No, the team is not moving Sochan.)
But then Castle is playing at a very high level for one of the best college teams we've seen in a while and has been throttling opponents' lead scorers. The team needs either a massive scoring punch or a great defender and the guards are better in this lottery than the wings.
He plays as a freshman in one of the most sophisticated college offenses, so he has an offensive game or he’d never see the floor. His shot needs work, though.
while castle's shot is definitely not there yet, i think he's better offensively than people think. uconn doesnt exactly feature him. but whether he can actually be a point guard or if his highest aspiration going to be a high end secondary playmaker like iguodala is tbd
Castle's one of those guys where I think GMs are looking for any sign at all that he can initiate. If he has basically one good showing either in the championship game or the combine where he's acting as a primary playmaker and shows PG chops, he's going to be consensus top 3 on everyone's draft boards. The nice thing about him is that given his size and defense, you can actually play him as a utility wing early in his career while you wait for him to develop.
Definitely some jackass team will draft BobanEdey in the 1st, most likely late lottery, and will feel miserable about that decision in 2 years.
He was the NCAA MVP last year as a junior and didn't come out because he couldn't get drafted. Nothing about him has changed much this year other than a weak draft
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