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    If TIMVP was right, that the Spurs had high interest in Amen Thompson if they didn't land pick #1. I could see BW interested in Castle. Looking into a bigger athletic guard prototype that could possibly guard three positions. I still think it's Risacher, Castle, Topic, Salaun, Dillingham, and Sheppard in that draft order on the Spurs board.
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    I believe it is to some fashion, specially if you want to keet most of the current roster. There's only so much playing time you can distribute, unless you want to keep your rookies on the deep bench or get rid of some of the current "core" guys. Adding two rookies and two vets to that team, that's FOUR new players to find time for in the current roster, without moving players you want to keep.

    where do spurs need to upgrade?

    - PG: if you draft a PG, and sign a vet PG, do you downgrade Tre at the 3rd string spot, knowing he'll be better than you rookie PG who will necessarily struggle at the hardest position in the league with Wemby to feed and make happy? I like Tre as a back up and you'd have to find time for Vet PG, rookie, Tre, Blake...

    - SF: If you draft a SF, then sign a vet SF you have distribute time between vet SF / Keldon / Champagnie /Rookie / Branham eventually (and Cedi if he's kept).

    - A big: If you draft a big, you have to distribute time between Vic, vet big, rookie, Zach, Sochan, Barlow, Bassey... (you'll obviously have to cut some of these guys).

    - If you draft a SG, then sign a SG, you'll have to distibute time between, vet SG, Devin, rookie, Malaki/Champagnie, maybe Graham (that some want to keep)...
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    I think this draft will set the record for the amount of first round picks playing in the G League there first year of contract.

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    Agreed, but we all know Sochan isn't going anywhere for probably a long time and as bad a shooter as he is, it's still less damaging than someone who'd play as the de facto lead guard.
    Castle won't necessarily be the lead guard but be a combo guard playing both the 1 and 2 and be in a three guard roation with Vassell and another pg to be determined later who shoots well.

    Spurs are going to have to add a solid backcourt defender who also does bring some ability to score with athleticism taking it to the basket to this roster and Castle fits there.

    This draft is not going to produce the finsihed product of a team so you can't look at it that way. Castle fills a need on the team and will provide a good fit to a three guard rotation.

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    If we're to actually compete, we can't allow to have two non-shooters on the perimeter positions playing together.

    No need to look further than current rookies.
    Henderson was projected to be the next Russ/DRose and he's completely lost out there without a jumpshot because he's not an athlete on that level.
    Thompson twins would easily go as #1 and #2 this year and they're useless without a jumpshot.

    None of the guards in this draft are convincing, there's no reason to take a guard that's a long way from being a finished product if we can take a wing with similar flaws.
    If we're to draft a guard, I'd rather take a gamble on Dillingham than any of these guards who will likely never be able to shoot off the dribble.
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    Castle won't necessarily be the lead guard but be a combo guard playing both the 1 and 2 and be in a three guard roation with Vassell and another pg to be determined later who shoots well.

    Spurs are going to have to add a solid backcourt defender who also does bring some ability to score with athleticism taking it to the basket to this roster and Castle fits there.

    This draft is not going to produce the finsihed product of a team so you can't look at it that way. Castle fills a need on the team and will provide a good fit to a three guard rotation.
    Castle fits on a team that has four out spacing, so that he can be utilized in the short role, dunker spot, etc., like how the Rockets have utilized Thompson with Sengun out.

    This team doesn't have that nor anyone on the perimeter who can serve as a primary creator and has no business so much as thinking about adding to either of those deficits.

    Outside of that construct, if he can't become a non liability shooter, than he's a backup. Not the way to spend a probable top 5 pick.

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    Castle fits on a team that has four out spacing, so that he can be utilized in the short role, dunker spot, etc., like how the Rockets have utilized Thompson with Sengun out.

    This team doesn't have that nor anyone on the perimeter who can serve as a primary creator and has no business so much as thinking about adding to either of those deficits.

    Outside of that construct, if he can't become a non liability shooter, than he's a backup. Not the way to spend a probable top 5 pick.
    Spurs are not a finished product. Castle will be fine after they add more pieces.

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    Spurs are not a finished product. Castle will be fine after they add more pieces.
    The point is, his archetype has a high bust rate and is a tricky fit even when they're not.

    The only scenario I could see where he could be a fit is if they acquire one of the oft discussed star or top starter small guards, he could be the Jones replacement (would presumably go in the exchange), but again a probable top 5 pick on a player who's ceiling would probably be 6th man.
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    I think the Nuggets roster construction is a good one for the Spurs to follow given they have a generational big man like the Spurs now do. The Nuggets model is also similar to the Duncan-Spurs model.

    C - Jokic (generational big man)

    PF - Gordon (vertical spacer, dunker spot guy who is solid defensively, solid on the boards, glue guy)

    SF - MPJ (third scoring option, floor spacer)

    SG - KCP (3-D guy, guards opponents best guard or wing)

    PG - Murray (second option, capable of scoring 30 on any given night)

    For the Spurs, I see them as having only two of those positions filled.

    C - Wemby
    PF - TBA
    SF - TBA
    SG - Vassell (our MPJ, third scoring option on a contender, floor spacer)
    PG - TBA

    I don’t see Sochan fitting into any starting lineup that wants to win a championship, not now and not in 5 years, too many flaws in his game. Perhaps as a solid bench guy 7th or 8th man aka a Malik Rose, or Boris Diaw yes. So he’s worth keeping around for that.

    I don’t see Vassell as a second option on a contender. I could however see him as a third scoring option who can put up 15-20 PPG on solid efficiency while spacing the floor.

    In this draft Spurs could potentially fill out two of the remaining three spots in their future contending SL. We need our Jamal Murray as a second option. The only one I see that fits that bill right now is Rob Dillingham.

    I can see Risacher as being another third scoring option aka MPJ but then there’s a duplication of role with Vassell. Cody Williams could be thr 3-D guy possibly at thr 3 spot, which is the KCP role.

    I see a lot of 3rd options on contenders in this draft but no number 2 other than perhaps Dilly. But that comes with other shortcomings like size, defense.
    I'm not sure Vassell is the 3rd scorer/floor spacer ala MPJ. I know that's what they want him to be, but I think he's more of a KCP 3D defender who's not getting it done on the D part.

    I also don't think the parts have to match the Denver model as laid out here. That works for them, but it can work differently for other teams just like it worked differently for the Spurs in their championship years.

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    I believe it is to some fashion, specially if you want to keet most of the current roster. There's only so much playing time you can distribute, unless you want to keep your rookies on the deep bench or get rid of some of the current "core" guys. Adding two rookies and two vets to that team, that's FOUR new players to find time for in the current roster, without moving players you want to keep.

    where do spurs need to upgrade?

    - PG: if you draft a PG, and sign a vet PG, do you downgrade Tre at the 3rd string spot, knowing he'll be better than you rookie PG who will necessarily struggle at the hardest position in the league with Wemby to feed and make happy? I like Tre as a back up and you'd have to find time for Vet PG, rookie, Tre, Blake...

    - SF: If you draft a SF, then sign a vet SF you have distribute time between vet SF / Keldon / Champagnie /Rookie / Branham eventually (and Cedi if he's kept).

    - A big/PF: If you draft a froncourt guy, you have to distribute time between Vic, vet big, rookie, Zach, Sochan, Barlow, Sidy, Mamu, Bassey... (you'd obviously have to let some of these guys go).

    - If you draft a SG, then sign a SG, you'll have to distibute time between, vet SG, Devin, rookie, Malaki/Champagnie, maybe Graham (that some want to keep)...
    I don’t believe that’s a given, at all. Any or all of the following, and I like these guys, could be gone: Mamukelashvili, Devonte, Bassey, Barlow, or Cissoko. None of them would cost much to just flat cut.

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    If TIMVP was right, that the Spurs had high interest in Amen Thompson if they didn't land pick #1. I could see BW interested in Castle. Looking into a bigger athletic guard prototype that could possibly guard three positions. I still think it's Risacher, Castle, Topic, Salaun, Dillingham, and Sheppard in that draft order on the Spurs board.
    Didn't really think of that but yeah Castle is like a poor man's Amen. Then again Amen would have been drafted to a roster with no high-end teammates he'd have to fit in next to, as he would have been the system here, so different situation now with Wemby here.

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    The point is, his archetype has a high bust rate and is a tricky fit even when they're not.

    The only scenario I could see where he could be a fit is if they acquire one of the oft discussed star or top starter small guards, he could be the Jones replacement (would presumably go in the exchange), but again a probable top 5 pick on a player who's ceiling would probably be 6th man.
    He isn't going to be a bust. He would be a solid player in a three guard rotation able to play the 1 or 2 and worth a top 5 pick in this draft. There are no all star upside players in this draft other than possibly Sarr.
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    Good good. Lower his draft stock so we can get him later without having to win the lottery

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    Problem is are going to draft Topic who was a scrub in Euroleague and now is just sitting out the season? Sarr who could only earn like 13MPG in the NBL playoffs? Buzelis who has shown no shooting ap ude in G-League? Holland, Walters, or Collier who had horrific seasons and came nowhere close to the preseason hype? Sheppard and Dillingham who are little shrimps? Castle who cannot shoot? Soft ass Cody Williams who looks invisible on the floor half the time? Every single lottery prospect in this draft has major red flags and strong bust potential.

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    He isn't going to be a bust. He's a solid player in a three guard rotation and worth a top 5 pick in this draft. There are no all star upside players in this draft other than possibly Sarr.
    I don't care what draft it is, if I'm picking top 5 I at least want a projected starter/closer long term.

    Big combo guards who can't shoot almost always end up as busts because they never become good enough shooters, but there's always some sucker who think they'll be the ones to "unlock" them because their shooting coach and developmental program are superior.

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    Problem is are going to draft Topic who was a scrub in Euroleague and now is just sitting out the season? Sarr who could only earn like 13MPG in the NBL playoffs? Buzelis who has shown no shooting ap ude in G-League? Holland, Walters, or Collier who had horrific seasons and came nowhere close to the preseason hype? Sheppard and Dillingham who are little shrimps? Castle who cannot shoot? Soft ass Cody Williams who looks invisible on the floor half the time? Every single lottery prospect in this draft has major red flags and strong bust potential.
    For any of those players you listed if they had the games that Risacher has been having they would fall off the face of the earth. Risacher is invincible as far as his draft status goes. And having this long of a slump isn’t similar to having a weakness in his game as the others do— it should be seen as a serious red flag and it should question his overall talent altogether. But the excuses keep piling up because he had a fluky run with his 3 pt percentage and he’s tall. That’s it.

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    As per usual, combine and team workouts will be the deciding factor.

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    We screamin “Wemby needs help!!” today and then tomorrow when Zaccharie gives us 0, 0, 0 stat lines everybody’s gonna have their Pikachu faces like they didn’t know this would happen. Smh

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    We screamin “Wemby needs help!!” today and then tomorrow when Zaccharie gives us 0, 0, 0 stat lines everybody’s gonna have their Pikachu faces like they didn’t know this would happen. Smh
    Do you think he can hit an open 3? Bc a lot of his looks are going to be wide open.

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    For any of those players you listed if they had the games that Risacher has been having they would fall off the face of the earth.
    Topic hasn't, I still see him top 3 in mocks

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    This feels like a draft when dude from 5-15 spot would be the real deal

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    This feels like a draft when dude from 5-15 spot would be the real deal
    Like 2020?

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    This feels like a draft when dude from 5-15 spot would be the real deal
    Could be like 2000 where no one in the first round had anything sniffing all-star talent.

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    Covid draft were different, but looks like. Sarr, Risacher and Topic all have bust in them

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