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no one has any idea whether or not the spurs intended to tank at the end or not.
Potential Spurs target if he’s there early in the 2nd. 6’11 with a 7’4 wingspan. Still only 18 years old. Needs some time in the G-League, but could be a prospect worth taking a chance on, especially in a weak draft.
no one has any idea whether or not the spurs intended to tank at the end or not.
maybe they did...But wemby wasnt gonna let it happen.And you cant admit to your team the goal is to lose lol
Just gotta sit players out and or do weird rotations.I also think they didnt want raptors to pass em up.
Yes, always better to have the more valuable draft pick and that is the higher pick.
This is a great reminder of why we shouldn't pay too much mind to prospect rankings a year or more out into the future. At best, only half of these guys are still in contention for a top-10 pick.
i cant get my mind around just how flat the top of this draft is, to the point where you can be talked into just about anybody
its also nuts how so many of these top prospects are such bad shooters. also wonder if i am overthinking holland... top percentile athlete who gives a about defense and can explode off the dribble, not a terrible passer.
whether we wound up with #1 and #7 or #8 and #9, i think you could put all these names in a hat and random draw 2 for the spurs and i wouldnt think they would be insane, unthinkable outcomes. other than the wide expectation sarr goes top 2-3, dont think theres much separation if at all between risacher, dillingham, buzelis, sheppard, topic, castle, holland, even onto guys like clingan, knecht, williams, collier
im not saying i value those guys evenly, just what seems to be the consensus out there as to what would be a reach/steal
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Actually, no one can yet predict whether the draft will actually be bad or not. Sometimes it's enough for two or three guys to stand out, even two or three years later, to reassess the quality of a draft. Remember the doubts about Doncic. No one can predict how a player will acclimatize and especially how a team will trust him.
Roles are constantly changing and sometimes, if you fit a role exactly, it can help you shine in this specific role. It's not because there won't be any big stars in this draft that there can't be excellent players with perfectly defined roles, essential in a team.
You're talking about the three points, I'm talking about the ones I know: all the French players (apart from Armel Traoré, Victor's former teammate and brother of a possible future first pick in 2025, an athletic defendeur) are potentially excellent 3 and D: Sarr , Risacher, Salaün, Dadiet, Ajinça.
(And the Spurs might even have an interest in signing a youngster that no one wanted to draft last year because of his size, Nadir Hifi who can dynamite an attack on three or four minutes coming off the bench. He is a defensive dog despite his size.)
The problem is less the general quality of a draft than the disproportionate expectations compared to lottery picks. Not having stars does not mean that there will not be excellent complementary players who will find their place on a (starting) roster in the years to come. But of course, maybe that's why with a draft like this, it might be better to have a pick 15 than a first pick... ("Oh, no, no, no, please, do not bother, keep your first pick, I will take this one. Yeah, my beautiful 20th, my precious... role player.")
We can't have Robinson and Duncan every time. Stick to Duncan and Boris Diaw.
The only things I'm (fairly) confident about is:
-Sarr is going top 3
-Both Castle & Cllingan are going top 8
Pretty good news about Sarr/Clingan since the Spurs in theory shouldn't draft either one and their pick is likely to be in the 6-8 range tbh. One of Topic/Dilly/Castle/Sheppard + Wings (Holland/Risacher/Williams) should fall.
In this draft if I would be extremely happy with getting someone like Avery, Chuck Person, Big Dog, Bowen, Belinelli, Kerr. Now the draft in 2025 is where we hopefully get a guy like Manu, Horry, Elliot, Jackson
Holland at 6-8 would be great value tbh. He's got as much upside as anybody in this draft.
This really hits home perhaps why the Spurs won up towards the end of the season. Thanks for the more accurate figures.
#3: $45.4M vs. #6: $34.1M after four years pay. So there's about $11MM difference between say a Risacher/Topic at #3 and say a Castle at #6. Question is, would there be $11MM worth of improvement in play between Risacher/Topic at #3 and Castle at #6 and I think you could argue no.
If the Spurs are tanking draft position because they are looking to save money on rookie deals, then we have bigger problems with the FO.
Almost tempted to double up on guards in 2024 if the TOR conveys and then go after two wings in the 2025 draft.
Looking at 2025 I quite like the available 6'8" to 6'9" ish players. Guys like Flagg or Bailey could be a long term target at wing/PF better than the apparently weaker options from the 2024 class Like Risacher, Buzelis (6'11"), or Williams etc.
PGs or combo guards from the 2024 class are at least seemingly more passable than the 2024 wings/PF. Would be thrilled with any of the following, in order: Sheppard, Castle, Dillingham, McCain, Carter, and later, Carrington, Kolek.
Really wonder if SA has any interest in McCain as that Patty Mills role and Spurs really do need good shooting. McCain is a proven commodity, last seen shooting lights out in the Elite Eight loss. 5-11 from 3PT, 11-11 FT in a bad loss to NC State. McCain, who had two 30-point games during Duke's run to the Elite Eight, scored 84 points during the NCAA Tournament. tankathon has him at #17 but Pelton shows McCain in the late lottery at #12 so not entirely inappropriate at around 7-9 with the TOR.
McCain was the EIGHTH top scorer in the entire NCAA Tournament.
Something like Castle/McCain would balance the PG corp with one traditional floor general PG in Jones, one pure shooting SG/PG in McCain and one defensive tools PG in Wesley. Plus you have athleticism and defense with a SG/PG in Castle between Vassell and Branham.
Get something in 2025 draft like Edgecomb (6'5" but still) and I would bundle every pick in the stockpile to grab Ace Bailey and Spurs would be loaded like OKC.
League is getting very tricky and good at making it not obvious. Told Spurs just get to #5. That’s the magic number for getting the number one pick this year. Stern working his magic.z
Rich people clipping coupons but there is the old cliche of how do you think I got so rich lol Spurs are frugal always have seemed to be imho you can tell by their moves.
Absolutely not, I'd say, and I've been ringing the bell about the dangers of getting a top pick this year for a while now. It's completely there. You don't want to draft a Risacher at 2 if you can get a similarly ranked player at 7 and you're just not thinking straight and are confused if you think otherwise. This is NOT a draft where you want a top 3 pick. It's going to you up in the long run.
Ron Holland has remarkably similar production to Kuminga at the same point coming out of Ignite. Same rebounds, assists, steals, more blocks, exactly the same ty shooting.
They both have bad game sense and a ton to learn how to play. Kuminga is finally sort of getting there entering into his fourth season. Of course the comparison is shallow, but provocative. Would I take a Kuminga-adjacent player in this draft? I would really consider it, although I think the longterm problems will become significant over time.
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...nathan-kuminga
you can also comp him with jaylen brown as far as athletic and skill profiles coming out
Blows my mind NBA players can't shoot threes. That should be a universal skill in todays game.
Not sure I've ever seen this guy discussed in 216 pages, but... he's 100% focused on the NBA now.
ivisic transferring to arkansas to follow coach cal
i really liked him as a second round option as a nice backup C
i think he ends up a lotto pick next year
Cody Williams is kinda growing on me tbh hope to hear positive things from workouts/interviews. Probably a stupid comparison but he kinda reminds me last year of Brandon Miller
This is such a hard draft to evaluate tho
If the Spurs win the lottery again and draft Risacher, then somehow Topic falls to #7 and the Raptors’ pick conveys, I will cry tears of joy.
PG - Topic
SG - Vassell
SF - Risacher
PF - Sochan
C - Wemby
That starting 5 would dominate the league for years to come
The amazing thing is they could end up with pick #7 and get Toronto’s pick at #8 and still end up with Risacher and Topic. Who knows where the anyone is getting drafted in this one!?If the Spurs win the lottery again and draft Risacher, then somehow Topic falls to #7 and the Raptors’ pick conveys, I will cry tears of joy.
PG - Topic
SG - Vassell
SF - Risacher
PF - Sochan
C - Wemby
That starting 5 would dominate the league for years to come
Three guys who cannot shoot as of today and Vassell is streaky as as a jump shooter. Spacing Spacing Spacing.If the Spurs win the lottery again and draft Risacher, then somehow Topic falls to #7 and the Raptors’ pick conveys, I will cry tears of joy.
PG - Topic
SG - Vassell
SF - Risacher
PF - Sochan
C - Wemby
That starting 5 would dominate the league for years to come
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