I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too
I can't help but think in the back of my mind the Spurs might be cooking up a deal for one of these two picks. This is uncharted waters for them and they have the assets to move in order to bring in another player, whoever that might be. Just call it a gut feeling for now. It makes sense to do it for the timeline as well. One good vet and one good young player.
I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too
I agree teams are going to draft on potential with picks 1 to 5 and those two players have the most upside.
We don't know that at all, early buzz was Sheppard to Rockets at 3 for example. This board is going to be all over the place.
I've seen you mention it and I like that deal as well. Seems to work out well for both teams
I think it's one of only a handful of proposals that the team we'd be trading with would do...
ATL- Sarr
WAS- Dillingham
HOU- Shepherd
SA- Risacher
DET- Matas
CHA- Castle
POR- Holland
SA- Topic or McCain
I don’t love this Scenario but I think this is one of the likest outcomes of the draft.
I’m warming up with Castle and agree he checks a lot of what Spurs are missing from a PG to a point-of-attack defender.
Castle’s height is actually intriguing to a point that it’s possible to take another guard Dilly/Reed at 8th. I like them to take a wing, but as you said Castle can play wing too. While Dilly could be the best skilled player in this draft, and/or Reed is a knockout shooter who we learn has 42 vertical too. Couldn’t Spurs have gotten 3 picks?![]()
Last edited by John B; 05-14-2024 at 09:04 PM.
True, but his bigger point I thought was that in this weak draft we’re not likely to see the value given up that a team at 2 would expect to get for trading back, and so it’s not likely to happen.
Seems like the live debate among WAS fans is whether having a glut of wings already should really disuade them from taking Risacher, or should they go for need Topic/Clingan.
What was it again? Swap Keldon/8 for Ivey/5?
I think the one guy said 2 for 4 and 35 then the other guy adds in Vassell, a 20 PPG scorer when picks 2 and 4 are not materially better, duh.
Ya and Sa gives up another first possibly if needed (one that’s not substantial)
There's a case to be made for a lot of different scenarios, but there are a few things that I'd go by as rule of thumb:
1) Take AT LEAST one shooter (Sheppard, Dillingham, Risacher).
2) Take either 2 wings or 1 wing + 1 guard. I'd consider wings: Buzelis, Risacher, Holland, Cody Williams; guards: Dillingham, Sheppard, Topic. Castle fits into either group.
3) Avoid traditional bigs (Clingan) or much older players (Knecht).
So for instance if you take Risacher at 4 you can take pretty much anyone at 8, but if you take a non shooter at 4 (Buzelis/Castle/Holland) then take a shooter at 8 (Dillingham/Sheppard).
If events unfold in a way that it is not possible to meet that criteria because there's too big a (perceived) talent gap, then ok but you have to make other moves (trades) to build a sensible roster (can't have Tre Jones, Wesley, Cissoko, Sochan, Barlow plus 2 non shooting rooks all at once).
That’s what dawned on me, get Castle and you have a PG or wing in one, then take best available at 8 regardless of whether it’s a PG or wing. It’s all about upgrading from Champagnie, Branham, Wesley, etc and if we find a star in the process even better. If not, the upgrade is not going to be hard to accomplish and Castle seems as sure a bet as any. He normally guards the other teams top offensive threat and imagine the defense with him, Sochan, and Wemby.
Do you see Ivey as a SG or do you see him being able to be our PG?
Watch him in actual games, he's a reluctant outside shooter and misses a lot of open looks. I think he's one of the safest bets to be a good player in this league because he's ridiculous defensively and has good size and athleticism plus he's a smart passer, but he needs enormous work on his jumpshot.
Is there anyway to get Reed Shepard, Stephon Castle, and Ron holland. To me all those guys fit a need for the spurs.
I'm thinking Castle will be high on the Spurs board.
They will draft Castle over Dillingham. Spurs will like Castle's size and versatility being able to play multiple positions.
Spurs like to draft players who play defense and are willing to work on a player improving on his shooting. They will see Castle like a D White type of player.
If Castle Topic and Dillingham are all on the board at 4 Spurs should draft Castle. One of the other two will be there at 8 with the Spurs next pick.
Both. But you still draft whomever you want with picks 4 & 5. I just view it as upgrading guard talent and balancing out team a bit more
He'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at 4 you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.
So a less athletic poorer shooting D White?
Not a bad comp.... lol... I'm kinda yanking your chain there. I can see the correlation between Castle and Draft day D White though...
With picks at 4&8 and boatload of 2nd round picks, it is more than highly possible. I imagine pops (even Wemby) has told management who/what he needs to help Wemby (e.g., perceived ability to defend, score, and assist).
I dont know - I could see SA liking Dillingham/Holland combo personally. High upside scoring guard + the versatile high upside defender/motor guy.
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