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    He'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.
    His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.

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    With picks at 4&8 and boatload of 2nd round picks, it is more than highly possible. I imagine pops (even Wemby) has told management who/what he needs to help Wemby (e.g., perceived ability to defend, score, and assist).
    I'm going to do a little digging and see if I can think about what else would work as a deal, but DPG has the best idea so far.

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    So a less athletic poorer shooting D White?

    Not a bad comp.... lol... I'm kinda yanking your chain there. I can see the correlation between Castle and Draft day D White though...
    Think more a bigger Jalen Suggs with about 80% of the athleticism and a worse outside shot. Man that sounds bad as I type it out

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    His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.
    Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.

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    knecht outperforming castle in basically every category is not something i saw coming. if we think castle can hold up at SF, less of a reason to believe Knecht cant

    i thought knecht would wind up just under or at 6'5 with a barely positive wingspan, if that

    and even if he held up well on stuff like the max vert, the agility times would be an issue. but his wingspan is fine and he's been one of the best overall in the agility drills
    Remember that Matt Bonner was one of the strongest players in the NBA and that Grayson Allen could outjump Lonnie Walker. I don't put a lot of stock in any of these times, because there always seems to be some expected workout warrior who doesn't translate that gym athleticism into on-court explosiveness.

    Also Castle isn't an SF. I would hope he could guard most small-forwards, but he looks to be a guard. At that size, Knecht has to play the three, but he'll have to show he can defend there. His cone agility doesn't erase the shaky defensive tape.

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    Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.
    I mentioned this a day or so ago. We're going to spend a lot of time analyzing players who don't have much gap between them. You are literally betting on one small set of intangibles and saying that guy is going to be the guy. This is one of the hardest drafts to call in quite some time because of that.

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    I'd suggest Castle has a much better pedigree than Dante Exum, having played at a superior level on one of the best NCAA teams we've seen in a long time.

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    He'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at 4 you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.
    If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.

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    Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.
    Absolutely - I actually do like Castle, but like all else there are serious questions. But guys like Dillingham + Reed at least have shooting to fall back on so floors are a bit higher with regards to being longer term nba bench players than many of the others.

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    If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.
    Who do you feel in this draft has true through the roof potential? Anyone? I'll go with the unpopular opinion and say Topic. I don't really want to pick him, but I do think he can be something special if he develops his game at an NBA level.

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    I Think Sarr goes #1 - easy pick
    #2 Washington picks Clingan, if not Clingan its Risacher. That team has a lot of needs.
    #3 If the wizards take Risacher then the Rockets trade their pick to another team that eventually takes Clingan. Otherwise it's Reed Sheppard.
    #4 If Sheppard is available you take him. Otherwise take Dilly or Castle in that order. We need a guard/backup guard in the worst way. Someone who can at least backup Trey if not replace him.

    Teams in the 5-7 range have guards, so they will look for a big.
    #8 Spurs have options here. Draft the best available big or possibly trade the pick. This isn't a quality draft so maybe getting out of the top 10 may be the better strategy. Remember big salary, not much playing time since they will be rookies doesn't always make a lot of sense.

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    I mentioned this a day or so ago. We're going to spend a lot of time analyzing players who don't have much gap between them. You are literally betting on one small set of intangibles and saying that guy is going to be the guy. This is one of the hardest drafts to call in quite some time because of that.
    Yup. And as we saw with Primo or Samanic it’s so hard to nail down work ethic or character on top of potential. Good news is I think SA has been pretty damn hyper focused on the right archetypes lately. Versatile players with good size who can just play basketball.

    They aren’t obsessed with “typical position labels” and care more about the above. So I feel pretty good that they are on the right track and aren’t starting from a place of valuing the wrong things. Now it’s just finding that value that matches up with what they know is important.

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    Who do you feel in this draft has true through the roof potential? Anyone? I'll go with the unpopular opinion and say Topic. I don't really want to pick him, but I do think he can be something special if he develops his game at an NBA level.
    Honestly? Holland. And Dillingham after that. Not that I feel strongly about them but in terms of just valuing potential, I think those 2 more than most others.

    Im intrigued if SA can do a trade for a guard like Ivey doing that 2 wing draft (Buzelis + Risacher or Holland/Cody), but another combo I think I personally would love to see for SA is Holland + Dillingham.

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    I Think Sarr goes #1 - easy pick
    #2 Washington picks Clingan, if not Clingan its Risacher. That team has a lot of needs.
    #3 If the wizards take Risacher then the Rockets trade their pick to another team that eventually takes Clingan. Otherwise it's Reed Sheppard.
    #4 If Sheppard is available you take him. Otherwise take Dilly or Castle in that order. We need a guard/backup guard in the worst way. Someone who can at least backup Trey if not replace him.

    Teams in the 5-7 range have guards, so they will look for a big.
    #8 Spurs have options here. Draft the best available big or possibly trade the pick. This isn't a quality draft so maybe getting out of the top 10 may be the better strategy. Remember big salary, not much playing time since they will be rookies doesn't always make a lot of sense.
    If your taking a guy at 4 your not picking him to be backup

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    If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.
    Yeah, offensive aggression will really be key if he wants to play the point. Who cares if he has physical advantages if he doesn't use them?

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    If your taking a guy at 4 your not picking him to be backup
    I don't know if we'll have much of a choice in that initially.

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    Honestly? Holland. And Dillingham after that. Not that I feel strongly about them but in terms of just valuing potential, I think those 2 more than most others.

    Im intrigued if SA can do a trade for a guard like Ivey doing that 2 wing draft (Buzelis + Risacher or Holland/Cody), but another combo I think I personally would love to see for SA is Holland + Dillingham.
    Dilly is also a good choice. I could see him overcoming his size issues and becoming the water bug nobody can stop. He's never going to be a great defender, but if he can learn to have effort on that end he will be okay. He will easily offset it if he becomes an elite playmaker

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    I don't know if we'll have much of a choice in that initially.
    I don't think people understand there are not many day one starters in this lottery lol

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    Both. But you still draft whomever you want with picks 4 & 5. I just view it as upgrading guard talent and balancing out team a bit more
    I thought our bigger need was a big as Collins and Mamu (not including Bassey) is all we have to support Wemby?

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    I don't think people understand there are not many day one starters in this lottery lol
    If any of these guards can displace post All-Star Tre this season, it will be a wildly successful draft.

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    This guy's mock draft has done something that I was thinking of that the Spurs should do, probably draft two guards and see which one pans out. Probably not the combination you're thinking of.



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    I thought our bigger need was a big as Collins and Mamu (not including Bassey) is all we have to support Wemby?
    I think Mamu can be re-signed, we have Collins and I think you can even maybe sign a FA like Claxton or handle getting a big easier via whatever means (trade/fa)…Im not too worried about that right now.

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    His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.
    Just to make clear: I do like Castle. I think his upside is pretty damn good comparatively and I love his defensive motor. I would be pretty damn happy if SA chooses him tbh but just stating my concerns with him. I have concerns for everyone though so..

    I would love a Holland + Castle or Holland + Dillingham type draft.

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    I think Mamu can be re-signed, we have Collins and I think you can even maybe sign a FA like Claxton or handle getting a big easier via whatever means (trade/fa)…Im not too worried about that right now.
    Claxton will more than likely re-sign for 4/$100-125M with the Nets.

    Investing significantly in another big/non shooter would be tone deaf anyway, as would drafting both Castle and Holland.

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    Claxton will more than likely re-sign for 4/$100-125M with the Nets.

    Investing significantly in another big/non shooter would be tone deaf anyway, as would drafting both Castle and Holland.
    Well it’s happening so get ready

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