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Really, that's just misinformation, I'd hope people try to put their critical thinking skills to good use before posting stuff like that.
Not necessarily, if a team who still wants to win for some reason wants to move a player the Spurs are interested in, the picks may be the way for such team to find another player that fits via a 3 team trade.
In Cleveland's case, I'm not in love with the idea of trading for Garland, because he's good but not max good, and I have a pretty strong feeling either Dillingham or Sheppard will (at least) not be far off for a tenth of the price it;d take to get Garland.
I just hope the Spurs don't overthink this and just take Dillingham / Sheppard instead of going for some mystery box, a la Primo/Sengun.
Really, that's just misinformation, I'd hope people try to put their critical thinking skills to good use before posting stuff like that.
I was having a bit of fun…I agree. Hes taking something that’s possible and pre tweeting it to save for later
(I was just saying I think path to Keldon being moved is there - don’t really care about that account just the “message”)
Do you really want Trae or Garland? Or more that if SA decided to go that route that you’d rather have Trae?
According to a few posters, he also deleted some more specific tweets. Keep it generic and vague, then claim victory.
Not sure if this belongs here, but question for you guys - who do you think is a max contract guy who delivers closest to max contract value on the court (setting aside fit, etc.). I'm not talking about true superstars who exceed max contract value (Luka, Jokic, etc.) or guys who are at the max but wildly overpaid (Beal, Lavine). But basically the WORST max guy who can deliver max contract value.
The reason I ask is this: max and rookie contracts are the two biggest inefficiencies in the NBA, as they are both the most common situations where guys can deliver far greater value than their contract. There are exceptions and value contracts like Caruso, Brunson, Cobe White, etc, but in general increasing talent and on court production correlates with higher salaries. So far, we've been operating under the assumption that the spurs need to get a "second star", whether through the draft or trade or FA or whatever and essentially be our second max contract guy, since the new CBA essentially only allows for 2 max guys before running into significant salary cap ramifications. However, in order for that second guy to be worth his salary, he'd have to deliver on court value above the 'minimum on-court production' for a max player.
So to you guys, what is that minimum threshold for on-court value for a max player? Is it Jalen Brown? Injury-free Paul George? Interested to hear your thoughts.
The thing is you may have not the choice. If you don't max a borderline max, or probably shouldn't be maxed player, somebody else probably will. That's also what I mean when I say you have to overpay, or anyway pay more than what you would like, for talent no matter what. Talent is rare, and everyone's looking for it, eventually ready to overpay. That's why you have guys who get maxed who certainly aren't worth it in a vacuum.
Then you also have teams always anticipating cap rises with new revenue deals making a max contract not as bad with time.
Isn't Keldon's contract attractive enough to you?
He certainly isn't that much for others.not enough to intrigue a team or trigger a trade. He's closer to a sweetener than core of a trade.
Like I mentioned a couple days ago, spurs main assets are their picks (then basically Devin). reason why they should be worry with their pioks and parsimoniously use them if you ask me., because they would have to seriously pile them if they wanna trade for a star, like MIN did for Gobert.
And as Bruno said, their lack of other real appealing assets other than picks makes trading all the more difficult anyway.
For some reason, I can't see the tweets nor log into my account on it. I get the gist and of course am skeptical of the source, but what specifically is being said?
I think the Hawks getting the number 1 pick and drafting Sarr makes it more likely that Dejounte is the one that’s traded instead of Trae.
Sarr’s game meshes much better with Trae on offense with the vertical spacing he provides and Trae being a better passer/lob guy than Dejounte. Defensively, Sarr’s rim protection will hide a lot of Trae’s weaknesses. You still need two more plus defenders around Trae which the Hawks have one in Deandre Hunter and potentially a third with Jalen Johnson.
I wonder if we could see a Dejounte for Ingram trade. Heard rumours NO will trade Ingram who hasn’t really meshed with Zion.
Sarr
Johnson
Ingram
Hunter
Young
That probably makes the Hawks a 6-8 seed in a weak East.
Hopefully the Hawks are too stupid to make such a move and instead ship Trae out and let Dejounte lead them to another 38 win season and playin exit.
I would be fine with a Garland trade if Spurs don't give too much but I would really like a trade for Trae Young.
It's just that I think Young is a great player. I don't view players like Haliburton, Jamal Murray or Donovan Mitc as really better than him. Wembanyama, Young, Vassell and some solid role players like maybe Sochan or Risacher is a team that could be a legit contender in 2026. Wembanayama and Young are really a great fit and they are smart enough to make it work.
And I get people strongly disagreeing with that by pointing Young being inefficient and a defensive liability. These are legit concerns.
One of them claimed a draft-night deal is in place involving Keldon and I think one of Sochan, Branham, or Wesley. Another claimed Spurs and Keldon mutually agreed to part ways because Keldon wants to be a starter.
It's wild. There's a huge difference among those three players. No team will be like, "Do I want Sochan... or Wesley? Hm..." And no team is going to start Keldon, even if he was asking, and he's not.
It’s just a random dude saying a bunch of crap…but the “realistic” stuff is just about Spurs moving on from Keldon mutually and Keldon preferring to be somewhere he can start and that Keldon will be moved before this next season starts.
Makes sense! That’s surprising to me. I agree with you maybe in the high level context my concern is that with what it would likely take to get Trae + his money that you cant really build a contender well enough to truly off set Traes big flaws (not regular season, but come playoff time).
If Trae could be had “cheaply” (meaning none of the core guys like Wemby/Sochan/Dev) with just matching salaries like Keldon/Collins and 2 firsts where SA still has a big surplus of picks to trade/use to fill out team with legit talent? Id be ok.
But I just dont see a path to where giving up Keldon + Dev + all of ATL picks back does anything for the team long term and Traes flaws are just too much for me to take that risk right now with Wemby still in year 2. If it were year 3/4 I would be more inclined I think as we’d see Wemby/Dev more ready and we would know about our core more.
I would trade the 2 Hawks unprotected first, cancel the 2026 swap, the Bulls first and the fake Hornets first for Trae. To match salaries, a combination of Keldon, Tre, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko would be traded.
I agree that a trade for Trae is a huge commitment. It will commit tons of assets, money and will define Spurs' playing style. If it doesn't work, Spurs are quite ed up and it won't be easy to get back on track. At the end, Spurs will only do that move if they're really convinced it will work.
I love this question, really makes you put your thinking cap on because the alternative (a borderline max player who you give a max to "because you have to" but really isn't worth it) is pretty destructive to your team. I'd say, IMO, a max player should be at least that final tier of All Star consideration player. I'm thinking Trae (though I don't want him), Lauri, Siakam, Sabonis. Some of these are more obvious max than not, but I think you get my point. Someone like Garland, Lavine, Beal, etc. are what you don't want.
This is one of the big reasons I'm out on Trae. I just can't see Atlanta doing a deal like that, they're going to want a lot more and I don't think Trae is worth a lot more. Especially now with getting the #1 pick, I think the Hawks would be a lot smart for something like DJM for Ingram than trying to recoup picks and starting over. They have some decent pieces to build around, I actually think CHI is in a much more precarious spot in needing to rebuild.
If it goes sideways, and I think that’ll at least a coin flip, you’ve packed Wemby’s bags for him. There’s no recovering from that, and no way to salvage Wemby’s 20s.
And how do you think he overcomes this to be so valueable?
His offense?
Exactly and it’s just too risky to do right now for no reason IMO. Spurs aren’t in a rush and Traes risks are too great and theres always another “Trae’ to trade for (or hopefully draft). If spurs pass on Trae theres no opportunity costs in reality as they can always go all in with their assets at any time in the next 2-3 seasons while giving themselves a shot at best path which is drafting their next star to pair with Wemby.
I see very little downside risk to waiting but tons of risks in going all in now personally. But again, if it were not the 4-5 picks you are saying but something like Keldon + Branham + Wesley (to save ATL money) + ATL 25 + pick 8 this draft + CHA pick? I can do that. But AtL wont do that so its moot.
I don't want to pay the price for Trae either, but this is some chicken little nonsense. Giving up that package for Trae would in no way cripple the Spurs. Even if they had to move Trae for salvage value, they'd still have all of their own picks moving forward.
Would a failed Trae trade suck? Of course, but it's wouldn't "pack Wemby's bags for him" anymore than standing pat and doing all for the next 3 years.
Agree 100%. I dont think AtL wants to trade Trae which is why I know it will take too much to get him. Sure, it may be market value for him and fair enough but that doesnt mean it’s worth it to SA since we aren’t in a rush and only need to be concerned with being opportunistic for stars this early in process.
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