Spurs trade ideas

[DPG21920]

If you are just talking value - I find it hard to say a player with Traes flaws, even though Wemby can cover them all up, is worth not just the contract he got, but 4-5 firsts to get him? Thats the catch 22 with fake stars like Trae with big time playoff flaws; they cost a ton to obtain but the cost is what prevents you from building a roster to maximize their strengths and cover up their weaknesses

[DPG21920]

I don't want to pay the price for Trae either, but this is some chicken little nonsense. Giving up that package for Trae would in no way cripple the Spurs. Even if they had to move Trae for salvage value, they'd still have all of their own picks moving forward.

Would a failed Trae trade suck? Of course, but it's wouldn't "pack Wemby's bags for him" anymore than standing pat and doing all for the next 3 years.

I don’t think anyone think SA will stand pat for 3 years. But this season? Ya. Better FA class available soon, better draft classes and still plenty of picks to trade for a real star that may come available if you dont draft one.

But ya, SA having their own picks is great, but it’s not “extra”. Right now the advantage is having Wemby and “extra” draft capital to use in a variety of ways. If you punt that and it goes south, then it’s pretty damn rough and not sure Trae would have much value if he gets traded to a team with Wemby and shows that even with Wemby he cant be a second star to get you anywhere…that would absolutely nuke his value in that case IMO

[scott]

As much as I want us to rapidly improve this team, I don't really see the trade for us this summer, unless some big names start asking out.

IMO, Lauri is the most realistically available target that would make sense for us, but I don't know that is even that realistic, that Ainge won't ask for too much, or that Lauri's contract dictates that you're much better off waiting until the deadline or next off-season.

With that said, because we draft first - that will impact what the right trade target will eventually be. For example, if we took two wings in Buzelis and Holland (my dream scenario), and they show on the upper quartile of early outcomes, you might not view Lauri as the right kind of move. But if you take Dillingham and Castle, for example, and they likewise show out on the upper quartile of early outcomes, you may no longer view expending assets acquiring a PG as the right strategy.

A lot of people are down on this draft (rightfully so), but I still think there are talented guys who can develop into good starters in this league. My Tier I (in order) is Buzelis, Holland, Dillingham, Sheppard, Castle. I really think all of those guys have the potential to be very good starters. Am I guaranteeing that? No, not at all... but I also don't think those are long-shot outcomes.

So in short, I think the Spurs are best served keeping their powder dry for the "big trade" and instead make two good draft picks, improve the team with some signings like Malik Monk (if we can) or minor trades.

Am a reformed sniffer who has very little confidence in this front office or coaching staff... but even I'm thinking that a little more patience (which putting the wheels in motion of revamping this roster) is needed. Play-in still needs to be the target for next season though.

[scott]

I don’t think anyone think SA will stand pat for 3 years. But this season? Ya. Better FA class available soon, better draft classes and still plenty of picks to trade for a real star that may come available if you dont draft one.

But ya, SA having their own picks is great, but it’s not “extra”. Right now the advantage is having Wemby and “extra” draft capital to use in a variety of ways. If you punt that and it goes south, then it’s pretty damn rough and not sure Trae would have much value if he gets traded to a team with Wemby and shows that even with Wemby he cant be a second star to get you anywhere…that would absolutely nuke his value in that case IMO

I don't disagree with what you are saying... but I disagree with the premise that trading for Trae and having that not work is somehow catastrophic and will cause Wemby to leave. That's just as hyperbolic of the thinking that Wemby will leave because Sochan doesn't pass him the ball enough or whatever.

[exstatic]

I don't want to pay the price for Trae either, but this is some chicken little nonsense. Giving up that package for Trae would in no way cripple the Spurs. Even if they had to move Trae for salvage value, they'd still have all of their own picks moving forward.

Would a failed Trae trade suck? Of course, but it's wouldn't "pack Wemby's bags for him" anymore than standing pat and doing all for the next 3 years.

Their picks will be in the 20s. That not a great spot to build a championship roster from. Not sure you can go to that well a second time. We got pretty damn lucky with Parker and Manu. The last two 20s picks made by the FO were Malaki and Wesley.

I’m also not advocating “doing all for the next 3 years”, as if the only two paths were that or Trae Young. Draft your guys, and sign maybe two vets. Win 32-35 games. Repeat next year in a better draft. Win 45 games and make the playoffs.
We can disagree about this, and I think we do, but I see no path to championships drafting in the 20s.

[exstatic]

Agree 100%. I dont think AtL wants to trade Trae which is why I know it will take too much to get him. Sure, it may be market value for him and fair enough but that doesnt mean it’s worth it to SA since we aren’t in a rush and only need to be concerned with being opportunistic for stars this early in process.

Is that why they’ve been shopping him hard for a year?

[scott]

Their picks will be in the 20s. That not a great spot to build a championship roster from. Not sure you can go to that well a second time. We got pretty damn lucky with Parker and Manu. The last two 20s picks made by the FO were Malaki and Wesley.

I’m also not advocating “doing all for the next 3 years”, as if the only two paths were that or Trae Young. Draft your guys, and sign maybe two vets. Win 32-35 games. Repeat next year in a better draft. Win 45 games and make the playoffs.
We can disagree about this, and I think we do, but I see no path to championships drafting in the 20s.

If the Spurs picks are in the 20s, then it sounds like trading for Trae worked out, in which case... why you worried about it?

I also didn't say you were advocating "doing all" - I said that a failed Young trade wouldn't cause him Wemby to pack his backs anymore than doing all.

[My Fault]

What about trading the 8th pick to the Wizards for Bilal Coulibaly?

[Dverde]

Garland situation should lower the ask for Dejounte and Trae. I could see Heat offering up their 50 million man for Garland.

[exstatic]

What about trading the 8th pick to the Wizards for Bilal Coulibaly?

They’d laugh and hang up.

[JPB]

I would trade the 2 Hawks unprotected first, cancel the 2026 swap, the Bulls first and the fake Hornets first for Trae. To match salaries, a combination of Keldon, Tre, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko would be traded.

I agree that a trade for Trae is a huge commitment. It will commit tons of assets, money and will define Spurs' playing style. If it doesn't work, Spurs are quite ed up and it won't be easy to get back on track. At the end, Spurs will only do that move if they're really convinced it will work.

you can still move Trae and get back what you can. Harden got traded like 3 times in 3 years or something

This is 2024, and it's easier to move stars than it was.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs picks are in the 20s, then it sounds like trading for Trae worked out, in which case... why you worried about it?

I also didn't say you were advocating "doing all" - I said that a failed Young trade wouldn't cause him Wemby to pack his backs anymore than doing all.

The worst season of Duncans career was 50 wins and the#20 pick. You can be a pretty mid team picking in the 20s,treadmill city. He’d be like DRob, never able to win it,never able to improve enough to win it.

[DPG21920]

Is that why they’ve been shopping him hard for a year?

We don’t know that. We will see. I can see a path to him being moved of course but I don’t get sense they are in move him at all costs mode.

[JPB]

This is one of the big reasons I'm out on Trae. I just can't see Atlanta doing a deal like that, they're going to want a lot more and I don't think Trae is worth a lot more. Especially now with getting the #1 pick, I think the Hawks would be a lot smart for something like DJM for Ingram than trying to recoup picks and starting over. They have some decent pieces to build around, I actually think CHI is in a much more precarious spot in needing to rebuild.

Also depends on how commited Trae is, but ATL could also use the picks to add another star or a couple elite role players with Murray and Sarr.

[exstatic]

We don’t know that. We will see. I can see a path to him being moved of course but I don’t get sense they are in move him at all costs mode.

Didn’t say they were trying to dump him, but he started being shopped last summer, when year 1 of the experiment didn’t improve anything. Spoiler alert: year 2 was much the same, and didn’t improve his value. At least one team offered more for Mikal Bridges last summer than offers of 2 FRPs for Trae.

[JPB]

And how do you think he overcomes this to be so valueable?
His offense?

I don't believe you have to necessarily see it from an individual point of view and how Trae would compensate individually and offesnsively his flaws, but by how the result of their association would be bigger than the sum of the two (if you get my point) and how they would magnify each other.

That's Trae value to me, his fit with Wemby and how what they can bring to each other would overcome Trae's flaws. If Wemby doesn't score at least 10-12 points/game just out of lobs by next year, you're failing as a team. He's working way too much for his points and his incredible size and mobility should get him much more easy buckets.

Ideally, you want the spurs to run a Wemby/creative PG picknroll every play, with 3&D shooters around. And Trae could be that creative, shooting PG.

[TD 21]

Even as someone who has never been a Murray fan, I've settled on him being the best current fit for the Spurs predicament.

The problem is, if the Hawks retain Young for the time being and the Spurs retain some of their picks in a hypothetical trade for the former, then they have no incentive to tank, in which case what good is Johnson (or Graham, if they prefer to cut more salary) and picks to that end?

I don't know why the notion that Young would bankrupt the Spurs persists. Even if he costs 4 "good" 1sts (which I'm skeptical of considering his market isn't as expansive as most stars), they'd still have all of their own plus extras, the core would be mostly in place and he'll always have resale value.

[exstatic]

Even as someone who has never been a Murray fan, I've settled on him being the best current fit for the Spurs predicament.

The problem is, if the Hawks retain Young for the time being and the Spurs retain some of their picks in a hypothetical trade for the former, then they have no incentive to tank, in which case what good is Johnson (or Graham, if they prefer to cut more salary) and picks to that end?

I don't know why the notion that Young would bankrupt the Spurs persists. Even if he costs 4 "good" 1sts (which I'm skeptical of considering his market isn't as expansive as most stars), they'd still have all of their own plus extras, the core would be mostly in place and he'll always have resale value.

If Trae doesn’t pan out, that would be two teams in a row he didn’t work out for. There would be little residual value, imo. I also disbelieve the concept of building a championship team with picks in the 20s.

[TD 21]

If Trae doesn’t pan out, that would be two teams in a row he didn’t work out for. There would be little residual value, imo. I also disbelieve the concept of building a championship team with picks in the 20s.

He'd definitely lose some value, but they'd still easily be able to recoup a fair amount.

People are likely to be in for a rude awaking when they find out how difficult this is going to be to build it through the draft, especially with how rigid this organization is and the reality that an improved Wembanyama and whatever competent ball handler they acquire should immediately hurt their odds at a high lottery pick next season.

[jjspur]

I just think there is too much resentment (on both sides) for DJ to come back. Trae is just too expensive for the spurs who traded some fairly decent assets for future picks. Typically the spurs aren't known for making splashy trades. I don't think Trae Young is who they had in mind when they traded Poeltl, DeRozen, DJ, and Derrick White away.

I'd be really surprised if DJ or Young made it to San Antonio. Spending a lot of money and picks doesn't get you automatic success. A lot of NBA teams have a hard time with that lesson.

[TD 21]

Spending a lot of money and picks doesn't get you automatic success. A lot of NBA teams have a hard time with that lesson.

Neither does building through the draft, especially when you're narrow minded.

It doesn't have to be any of these names or now necessarily, but the point is this organization needs to be open to broadening their horizons and doing things outside of their comfort zone moving forward and not thinking they're going to recreate the past.

[scott]

The worst season of Duncans career was 50 wins and the#20 pick. You can be a pretty mid team picking in the 20s,treadmill city. He’d be like DRob, never able to win it,never able to improve enough to win it.

So the take here is that the Spurs might trade for Trae, and then become a 50 win team, and that will be considered a massive failure to the point where Wemby will be so assured of leaving that we "might as well pack his bags for him".

Got ya.

[NASpurs]

I question the source but anyone is better than Eric Zhang I guess.

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/05/...arius-garland/

Sources have informed NBA Analysis Network that the San Antonio Spurs are among various organizations that have conducted due diligence on Garland as a potential trade candidate,” Grant Afseth wrote. “The Spurs seek a talented playmaking guard to pair with Victor Wembanyama. Some within San Antonio’s organization are believed to have more interest in Garland than Trae Young.”

[CGD]

I question the source but anyone is better than Eric Zhang I guess.

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/05/...arius-garland/

Well at least Grant is an actual human.

The Trae v Garland due diligence real comes down to the asking price. I don’t think the talent is THAT far off, but the asking price difference will be big. Whereas Garland’s value is at a nadir, pride and face saving interests in Atlanta will make Trae price outlandish.

[rascal]

Didn't the Spurs say don't expect any big trades this off season?