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Atlanta doesn't have Pick 19 or 31 - Toronto does.
But not sure why we'd want 4 rookies.
Instead of "veterans/experience" I should have been more clear about what was missing... BBIQ
How do you improve BBIQ by having even more youngster to develop? It makes no sense
I agree with you about the roster that needs a turnaround but it's not just because of talent and/or specific skills missing; poise, leadership, experience are unvaluable in a team success AND youngsters developent
+ You know that PATFO doesn't share our pov on the roster
Atlanta doesn't have Pick 19 or 31 - Toronto does.
But not sure why we'd want 4 rookies.
There's a Spurs tidbit in this article about the Sixers' future.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5...mors-offseason
This is probably more about throwing spaghetti at the wall and less about having actually thought things through, but what could the Sixers even offer to the Spurs for Vassell? The reason the Sixers have so much cap space is that they have almost nobody under contract. The Spurs could take back some vet UFAs in a sign-and-trade like Covington, Harris, Batum, or Lowry, but that requires them agreeing to contract terms, wanting to go to the Spurs, and the Spurs wanting those players.If both George and Ingram fall through, the Sixers would have to get creative or hope for unexpected opportunities. What if the Timberwolves are looking to escape the second apron and move on from Karl-Anthony Towns? If the Hornets draft a point guard, what would that mean for LaMelo Ball? Is there a way to overpay the Spurs for Devin Vassell? Maybe the Nets would move away from Mikal Bridges, who could return home to Philadelphia and the team that originally drafted him. Or how about making the Jazz an offer for Lauri Markkanen that they can’t refuse?
Really the only thing the Sixers could offer the Spurs are unprotected picks several years in the future when Embiid will be on the downslope of his career. The Sixers owe their 2027 first to Brooklyn protected 1-8, also protected 1-8 in 2028 if it doesn't convey in 2027, then it converts into seconds. They also have a 2028 first incoming from the Clippers. I think this means they could trade their 2027 or 2028 first (whichever doesn't convey to Brooklyn) along with their own 2029 and 2031 firsts without violating the Stepien rule because they would retain their own 2026 pick, the Clippers 2028 pick, and their own 2030 pick. Those three firsts, plus maybe an unprotected swap in 2030, would be quite the haul for someone like Vassell. The Sixers could also include their swap rights with the Clippers in 2029.
A trade like this from the Spurs would be a step backwards in terms of compe iveness too, even if the overall return in terms of picks is high.
Verdict: it was just a random thought by the author without much concern for realism that still brings up an interesting possibility.
I agree with you that it's just a guy throwing spaghetti against the wall. Now that I've said that, I don't think Vassell is untouchable nor should be be. Nobody would get him at a bargain price though. As for Philly specifically, I don't see anything they could offer directly, but some type of 3 team offer could possibly make sense. For instance, say we sign Malik Monk, draft Castle, and Reed you've replaced Devin in a way that a Sixers package of a couple picks + a significant player from another team might be attractive.
Piggy backing on your "spaghetti against a wall" find:
Philly- Devin Vassell
Utah- Zollins, #8, 2026 1st from Philly, 2029 1st from Philly, Charlotte 1st (2-2nds)
Spurs- Lauri + #10 + 16 + Sign Malik Monk
Draft Castle @ 4, F that falls @ 10 (Williams, Salaun, Knecht etc) and McCain @ 16
Lauri would cost way more than that. I’d offer Dev the 4 and 8 for Lauri. Trade for Trae Young and we’re an instant le contender.
I disagree. Lauri is coming into a contract year and won't be extended by Utah so he'll be a FA. That's a strong offer for him with his contract situation. It's risky for Utah or whoever acquires him to get him to resign. This price reflects that.
Whoever trades for him gets his Bird Rights with Utah currently controlling his Bird Rights. He’ll cost a ton and rightfully so. Elite offensive finisher and a solid defender. He’s a strong contender to join the 50/40/90 shooting club.
What do you think Lauri’s next deal will come in at? I fear it’ll be a scary number.
In any case, I think the better move is to wait for the Feb deadline AFTER Ainge overplays his hand this summer and is staring down losing Lauri for nothing.
It's gonna be a near max deal of not a max outright. You could definitely be right about waiting though...
Once again posters don’t want elite players because they require elite assets. We got Wemby bro and he’s ready for le contention. Elite players > elite assets.
There's some truth there, but some posters don't have a grasp of contracts, their length, and compe ion from other teams and how that effects value... Elite players without control over the length of time you control their contract < elite assets
You can’t assume that Lauri will leave or stay after next season. You have to fall somewhere in between. Dev’s nothing special since he’ll be making 26M next season and you’re not getting Lauri for free so the 4 and 8 gotta be included.
Correct, you can't assume he'll stay or go. That's what DA is having to gamble on. The longer he waits, the more leverage shifts away from him. Now, he can probably get 3 very good picks out of Lauri. In February he's looking at 2 or 3 mid to low first type picks.
As for Devin's value, I'm not arguing how high or low it is. I'm using the article that was posted suggesting Philly would overpay for him. That's why he's routed there, simply because the article suggested they value him quite a bit.
I like the idea of Lauri next to Vic a lot, but I feel they need to address the PG situation first. Lauri would be a nice finishing piece though.
Love this deal. If Carter falls to 10, I'd take him there and view Castle more as a flex PG/SF.
Spurs starting lineup:
Tre/Carter/Blake (Carter takes over mid season)
Monk/McCain/Branham (Branham likely the primary backup at least to start the season).
Castle/Keldon
Lauri/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey/some tbd bet
Some nice building blocks there and still plenty of flexibility to draft whomever you like next year should the ATL pick strike gold (Lauri, Castle and Carter all offer some position flex). Still some holes to plug, but lots of potential to play "position-less basketball"
I feel like this is a pretty solid return for Lauri from Utah's POV, considering his contract situation. That's a net of two legit unprotected FRPs, plus an upgrade of one FRP. Might need one more FRP (SA27 Swap? CHI25?) because Ainge is a son of a like that.
Edit: Forgot about Keldon
I also like maybe someone like Filipowski, Missi or (wait for it) Edey at 16 since Collins will be out of the way.
Last edited by scott; 05-27-2024 at 09:15 PM.
There are alot of options at 16 depending on who you take at 10. I like Carter, I'm just not sure I like him with Castle. All of those C's you mentioned would certainly be in play though.
Would the Pacers trade Nembhard for Keldon or any other package? Looks like Nembhard is best suited as a primary ball handler.
Zero chance
So, Houston shopping #3 and a package for Mikal Bridges looks like the flavor of the day for NBA press types. So what do you think that package looks like? Also, do you think Cam Johnson could be available in a smaller-seperate package? He would look good here.
Imo, it's the same situation as Hawks and Spurs. If they can get their picks back from the Rockets, they'll tank.
If not, they got no choice but to compete. I guess they'll try to trade for another legit star with all those Phoenix picks.
Everyone talks about Bridges, but Cam Johnson and DFS would also be great pickups.
I don't think they'll get all their picks back from Houston and Houston will probably try to pry loose some of those later sweet, sweet Phoenix picks. But I think it'll center around #3, another non-Brooklyn'sown first or two, and maybe Jalen Green. I know everyone has talked about how much he turned out at the end of the year, but a lot of dubious players do that when teams are either checked out or thinking about the playoffs. (I love Mamu, but this is a Mamu thing.) Wouldn't be a surprise if the Rox know they need to move him for a steady piece.
I'd really like Johnson here..
There won't be shortage of suitors for Lauri until up the deadline, Ainge is not sweating one bit and could/would still get a haul for him in February.
I don't love Jalen Green. I'm definitely not sold on him and I wonder if Brooklyn wouldn't rather have Brooks instead. He's a guy they might get something out of moving to a team at the deadline?
Brooks or Green, Tari, #3, and one more pick back would do it I think. Then that leaves Cam Johnson. I'd offer Zollins (who actually wouldn't be bad for them on a short contract) + #8, + Cha + 2 more 2nds. Then I'd be prepared to offer another first a few years down the road.
Cam would fit next to Sochan and Wemby better than anyone on the draft.
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