2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[rjv]

so Manu said that the Spurs hope to be contending in 2-3 years

https://streamable.com/7201h1

manu has spoken; it is the law.

[scott]

so Manu said that the Spurs hope to be contending in 2-3 years

https://streamable.com/7201h1

Glad to hear this kind of thing from someone actually associated with the Spurs. I'm not sure exactly what kind of access "Special Advisor to Basketball Operations" actually has - but I just assume that Manu is connected with the FO at a high level and when he says this it's not just his personal opinion but the goals of the organization.

So, with that said... it would seem logically that the team would be looking for a similar trajectory that OKC and Minn have recently taken:

OKC:

2021-22 - bottom 4 record
2022-23 - play-in
2023-24 - top seed (I would consider this as being "a contender") / semifinals loss in 6

MIN:

2020-21: bottom 6 record but only 1 game removed from a bottom 4 record
2021-22: first round playoff loss (via #7 seed/play-in)
2022-23: first round playoff loss (via #8 seed/play-in)
2023-24: WCF (and very much "a contender")

If we are to believe Manu, then it should be clear that tanking is not the intention next season (of course this won't stop folks from claiming we are tanking if the season doesn't go as planned, much like this year)

[SpursFan86]

Is it really news that we’re “planning to contend” in 2-3 years? Obviously we’re not going to be competing this upcoming season, and 4+ years would be an ultra conservative timeline.

“Yeah we probably won’t be too compe ive until 2027 despite drafting one of the greatest prospects of all time and watching him put up an all-time great rookie season”. He also clarifies that by contending he’s just saying they’ll make the playoffs and be a generally good team.

[NASpurs]

*wrong thread *

[BackHome]

Glad to hear this kind of thing from someone actually associated with the Spurs. I'm not sure exactly what kind of access "Special Advisor to Basketball Operations" actually has - but I just assume that Manu is connected with the FO at a high level and when he says this it's not just his personal opinion but the goals of the organization.

So, with that said... it would seem logically that the team would be looking for a similar trajectory that OKC and Minn have recently taken:

OKC:

2021-22 - bottom 4 record
2022-23 - play-in
2023-24 - top seed (I would consider this as being "a contender") / semifinals loss in 6

MIN:

2020-21: bottom 6 record but only 1 game removed from a bottom 4 record
2021-22: first round playoff loss (via #7 seed/play-in)
2022-23: first round playoff loss (via #8 seed/play-in)
2023-24: WCF (and very much "a contender")

If we are to believe Manu, then it should be clear that tanking is not the intention next season (of course this won't stop folks from claiming we are tanking if the season doesn't go as planned, much like this year)

Same people were saying last draft "Oh We Got Wemby We Playoff Bound" and I said "NOPE" we tanking bound and people said no way that was going to happen with a generational player like Wemby. People need to understand we got the number 1 pick because we suck and it is going to take more then a year to turn the ship around....It's a team game you need more then one person

[mo7888]

so Manu said that the Spurs hope to be contending in 2-3 years

https://streamable.com/7201h1

This gives me vibes that the Spurs already know what they're going to do this summer....Like deals are already in place..

[scott]

Looks like Hayward definitely won't be returning to OKC: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-hayward-trade

Does he have anything left? His time in OKC may have the result of depressing his going rate as he hits FA. I've long thought he would be a good vet to add at SF, especially if by chance Keldon gets sent out and and we have a rookie SF to play heavy minutes. He was still putting up decent stats in CHA before he got injured and then traded to OKC.

From the article:

"I feel as a player, I have a lot to offer," said Hayward, who will be a free agent this summer. "Just wasn't really given much of an opportunity to do that. I thought I would be given that opportunity."

[CGD]

Looks like Hayward definitely won't be returning to OKC: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-hayward-trade

Does he have anything left? His time in OKC may have the result of depressing his going rate as he hits FA. I've long thought he would be a good vet to add at SF, especially if by chance Keldon gets sent out and and we have a rookie SF to play heavy minutes. He was still putting up decent stats in CHA before he got injured and then traded to OKC.

From the article:

"I feel as a player, I have a lot to offer," said Hayward, who will be a free agent this summer. "Just wasn't really given much of an opportunity to do that. I thought I would be given that opportunity."

He was given the chance and wet the bed. He doesnt have it any more.

[NASpurs]

Looks like Hayward definitely won't be returning to OKC: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-hayward-trade

Does he have anything left? His time in OKC may have the result of depressing his going rate as he hits FA. I've long thought he would be a good vet to add at SF, especially if by chance Keldon gets sent out and and we have a rookie SF to play heavy minutes. He was still putting up decent stats in CHA before he got injured and then traded to OKC.

From the article:

"I feel as a player, I have a lot to offer," said Hayward, who will be a free agent this summer. "Just wasn't really given much of an opportunity to do that. I thought I would be given that opportunity."

Reads like the death throes for one final paycheck.

But yeah, if not for the minimum, why not?

[exstatic]

Since he left Utah, he’s played >70 games one time in 7 seasons. He’s averaged <50 games since then. No Thanks.

[ace3g]

[exstatic]

They’re not pulling an All Star with even the first pick in this draft, let alone #3.

[Mr. Body]

Rumors are that the Nets will get their own #3 pick back as part of a Bridges trade after all. Otherwise, I don't see anyone trading all the way up for the #3. A team in the lottery could try to leapfrog Detroit, SAS, etc., if they see someone they want.

As for who BKN would take, it's the same sort of player WAS or DET should take but will probably overthink: the guy who has star upside who can become the next Maxey or De'Aaron Fox.

[RC_Drunkford]

Houston doing dumb per par is nothing new. Curious to see who trades for it though, they might take another player we want off the board.

[spurraider21]

not sure what the entirety of a bridges trade would look like, but its one of the moves that could make sense

[LeBowen]

Houston doing dumb per par is nothing new. Curious to see who trades for it though, they might take another player we want off the board.

Tbh, it's not that dumb if they get a player they want.
If they don't want any of these PGs, they have no use for that pick.
They're going forward with Sengun as their C and they have more than enough young wings that need development.

[NASpurs]

Tbh, it's not that dumb if they get a player they want.
If they don't want any of these PGs, they have no use for that pick.
They're going forward with Sengun as their C and they have more than enough young wings that need development.

Yeah we'll be in a similar position soon with the 25 draft picks coming in the next five years or so. You can only develop so many dudes.

[RC_Drunkford]

Tbh, it's not that dumb if they get a player they want.
If they don't want any of these PGs, they have no use for that pick.
They're going forward with Sengun as their C and they have more than enough young wings that need development.

building around a non-rim protecting C like Sengun is idiotic in itself tbh. Making "win now" moves while not even sniffing the play-in is hilarious. Good for us though, as they will be a mediocre 2nd round out of the playoffs team for a long time.

[JPB]

Yeah we'll be in a similar position soon with the 25 draft picks coming in the next five years or so. You can only develop so many dudes.

Indeed, and spurs already are actually, just in a reverse way.

There's no point for HOU adding rookies just for the sake of it, if you already have (or will for the spurs) a bunch of prospects to develop and you don't feel this year"s one will make that big of a difference for you. No reason for HOU to keep #3 if they don't like anybody from here... they're a 41-41 team, rebuilding by the middle with solid, improving prospects. Adding one good vet can get them in the PO without loising that much assets (even if they'd have to add some more to the trade).

If there's one draft to trade your picks, it's this one. Reason why I'd have no problem spurs using this year's ones for proven talent (or for Risacher, which could not be possible) and keep room for 2025 picks to develop.

[Seventyniner]

Houston can get a lot for the #3 pick if Risacher is somehow still on the board.

[Pauleta14]

They’re not pulling an All Star with even the first pick in this draft, let alone #3.

They have plenty of actractive youngsters to add to an offer tho...

[Pauleta14]

Houston doing dumb per par is nothing new. Curious to see who trades for it though, they might take another player we want off the board.

They picked a great coach

They draft well

They have a stock of promising youngsters they can use for trade on build on

They have short term heavy contracts that will be attractive as expirings in a trade

I wish you were right, but I find them quite good. Shopping a 3rd pick of a weak draft is smart

Houston is a big and attractive market, they could very well land a big fish

[Pauleta14]

If there's one draft to trade your picks, it's this one. Reason why I'd have no problem spurs using this year's ones for proven talent (or for Risacher, which could not be possible) and keep room for 2025 picks to develop.

The more I think about it the more I think it's the move.

25' and 26' are so stack and the team needs higher bbiq and more experience asap

[RC_Drunkford]

They picked a great coach

They draft well

They have a stock of promising youngsters they can use for trade on build on

They have short term heavy contracts that will be attractive as expirings in a trade

I wish you were right, but I find them quite good. Shopping a 3rd pick of a weak draft is smart

Houston is a big and attractive market, they could very well land a big fish

They can always get big free agents. I'd be much more worried if they went the OKC route tbh. I'm fine with them building around a non-rim protector in Sengun and a non-shooter in Amen. That won't win them a le.

[Pauleta14]

They can always get big free agents. I'd be much more worried if they went the OKC route tbh. I'm fine with them building around a non-rim protector in Sengun and a non-shooter in Amen. That won't win them a le.

I'd guess they're very well aware of that.

Look, all I'm saying is (imo) there isn't one road to success, it's actually interesting to watch both models. Okc is in advance but Houston started their proect last season really with Ime's arrival.

I'm really high on Ime, a team always end up at the image of its coach and you could see after Sengun's injury how the team responded. I have no doubt the rockettes will become one the best defense in the league whoever play and they have the means to bring top players.

I think there's something to take in both models. Patience is a great virtue but a bit of agressiveness or opportunism doesn't hurt.