Really? Which ones?
I haven't really watched Daniels play much, so I can't fairly say. He may be turning a corner, but I wouldn't. Ultimately I think Ignite players are way behind developmentally and the only one who has sort of turned out so far is Kuminga. I don't know who I'd take with 8 though. Go another direction than defensive stopper.
Marcus Smart, Bruce Brown, Draymond Green, Brandon Clarke, Matisse Thybulle, Kyle Anderson, etc.?
Smart is a career 39% from 3. The premise was Castle's floor without him developing his shot.
Clarke, Draymond and Anderson aren't guards.
Thybulle kind of sucks, tbh, and I guess I can give you Bruce Brown. Still, his best seasons came when he shot above league average from 3.
The truth is that there aren't many rotations guards that can't shoot out there, tbh.
Smart's a career 32% from the three. His overall shooting percentage is 39%.
watching Castle defensively he is like a fly on to his assignment
lol I ed up.Smart's a career 32% from the three. His overall shooting percentage is 39%.
Ok, Smart goes into the beg then. The point still remains, not too many of those guys in the league.
At the notion of the Casle being "high floor" and "likely to have a 10-15 year career", when he's the an hesis as one of the highest bust rate archetypes extant.
The more important shooting becomes, the less this board wants to see it prioritized or thinks it's more fixable than it usually is.
He’s not going to be out a year. Even with surgery, the MCL timeline is 3-6 months. If he gets the surgery after the draft,his worst case is New Years.
See, this is why it's so peculiar how some get so obsessed with only shooting stats. I get it -- sort of -- in ignoring everything that a player is doing and only focusing on one thing. Pretty much all of those players played for leagues like the NBL -- and, yes, the NBL is dog , really, for NBA prospects -- and ignoring that Stephon Castle wasn't just running around on some 9-22 team like Markelle Fultz where you hope things translate somehow.
The more important shooting becomes, the less this board wants to see it prioritized or thinks it's more fixable than it usually is.
He was the key perimeter defender on one of the most suffocating NCAA teams and defenses we've seen in years.
Now, I get that you hate college basketball or whatever, but where do almost all of the good NBA players come from? Castle isn't just some athlete like Josh Jackson or Mundiay who... had to look this up... played for the Guangdong Southern Tigers the year before he was drafted, or Nkitilina, who played for Strasbourg Illkirch-Graffenstaden Basket before he was drafted, whoever the they are.
Castle can definitely bust. Any player can bust. I didn't even say there's no way he can't bust. I said that if there's a player I think will most likely stick in this league out of all the lottery picks, it's Castle. And it's because he's an exceptional defender and he played superbly at the highest level of his league. If you want any real comparison, it's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, who as has been mentioned, had a truly awful form to his jumpshot and copious injuries in his NBA career. He was more of a SF than a PG/SG anyway.
As for shooting, this is why I've consistently wanted Dillingham with the other pick, bUt HE's tOo SmAlL.
Like always, you've got to pick players in this draft, not guys you've created in Minecraft.
Yeah, because that's the league today. The Tony Allen's of the world (and he's unlikely to reach that level or at least the perception defensively) have been phased out.
Who cares? He had an elite defensive anchor behind him and this league is about how strong your weakest link is defensively anyway. If he's as good as some think he'll be on that end, the lead ball handlers he's defending will play "target" ball to get him switched off. He can still have impact, but not enough of one to justify a 4th pick.
I "hate college basketball" based on what? Not agreeing with a guy who's so out of touch with today's game that he thinks Collins is a PF? Now more than ever, good prospects/players come from all over, you xenophobe.
No, Castle is more likely to bust than most and I've told you multiple times the alternatives I'd be open to with this pick.
I am defense first. I love me some lockdown defense. This is why this team has been so difficult for me to watch the last several years. I understand we are bad, but the absolute lack of defense is disgusting.
Now, we have Wemby. Sochan is not too bad either. Vassell is a solid defender. If we can get two guys who sell out on that end, in Castle and Holland, I would feel more comfortable that we could put out a 5 person lineup to close out opponents defensively.
That’s basically what Sochan was doing to SGA and Wemby to Joker. Make them just throw the ball to someone else because they can’t get anything going vs the 1 v 1 defense and they know it.
You can't hand-wave the uphill climb buttershot players have. It's extremely hard to shut players down in the modern NBA, and if you do, it's a much of a team process than that of an individual player's effort. I don't think there's a justification for Castle at 4 if you don't believe he can be a decent shooter in the NBA. It would be one thing he had some potential to be a real on-ball dynamo ala Collier where you can say, "Well he might have to have the ball a lot, but he's going to be a huge wrecking ball against opposing defenses which can get the others good looks". Even if you added Collier's driving threat to Castle, the shooting would still be a problem. But without it, you run into what's actually a pretty common archetype of passing defenders with size and handles but who can't space the floor. There aren't a ton of those guys who are very successful in the modern game. Bod provided a list of PFs with some wings who haven't really had careers you'd want out of a top-five pick -- even in this draft. You have to think Castle is slated to be better than them, because most of those guys are available this summer for cheap.
All that said, I'm not giving an opinion on Castle's shot. I don't know how bad it is or what the Spurs think about improving it. I do worry because the Spurs have had a horrible track record of improving shots since Kawhi and Green a dozen years ago. Bad shooters have stayed back and guys who came to the team as good shooters have regressed. I don't blame them for letting Chip walk, as the results weren't there. But moving on from him didn't seem to improve anything either. I'm a believer in the concept of "trust your staff or replace them", so if the staff says they can fix the shot, the Spurs should go with that. But it's a huge risk, for Sarr, Topic Castle, Buzelis, Holland, Collier, Edey, Dunn or whomever else. The Spurs can afford to let the shooting come along as their guys improve. They can't afford to draft guys who can't shoot and try to outsource that task to free agents. That's how you get guys like Forbes and McDermott getting big minutes.
perfect for tanking, to be honest
You aren't paying attention if you're comparing Castle with Vassell in defensive potential.
I do agree that there is something special about Castle‘s defense. It reminds about Kawhi. Other than many „elite defensive prospects“ it looks as if this ability will almost certain translate to the NBA. It‘s based on foot work, strenght, anticipation, you will want someone like him slow Luka and SGA. so yes, even if other skills don‘t develop as you wish, he would still find an important role with this team.
Stop kidding yourselves, if Castle doesn't develop his shot at least to a passable level, he will have no role in the NBA going forward. There are no more Andre Robersons or Tony Allens in the league.
Are you really acting like this kid can’t dribble, play make, defend, post up ? Furthermore his shot isn’t broke beyond repair if he’s the hard worker he’s been reported to be.
I love defense, too, but we won't be closing anyone out if we are down 20 struggling to score.
I also don't want to see Wemby run ragged chasing down everyone else's blown assignment (not blown because they are low IQ, blown because they can't stay in front of anybody).
It's a catch 22 because this draft lotterry you can only have one or the other.
This - there’s some real risk to the players in this draft. Im nervous as about it lol
It’s the same risk for everyone. Nothing to be nervous about. There isn’t one complete, well rounded prospect in this draft. It’s not like you’re going to miss on a sure thing. There aren’t any. The last draft this uncertain was 2013, Anthony Bennet was selected #1, and the best two players were drafted as raw projects, a skinny kid from Greece at #15, and a tall skinny kid from France at #27.
After looking at this draft class noticed cj mccollum was picked pretty late. Anybody see any comparison’s with castle? I don’t remember mccollum’s reputation with shooting in college,
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