Spurs trade ideas

[mo7888]

When does Ainge make trades that don’t involve bending the other team over a barrel?

When there's no team willing to bend over for him...

[LeBowen]

While we're at Utah, am I crazy to think John Collins could be useful?
15/8 this season while playing out of position as C.
It looks like his shot is coming back, he shot 37% on 3.4 attempts per game.

He's on $26.5M the next season and then has player option for one more year, same money.
If he does well somewhere, maybe he'd decline the option to sign longer, team friendly deal.

Collins for Collins while adding CHA '25 and some second rounders seems like a good value if Utah decides to tank.
No way they get a first for their Collins.

[JPB]

Ainge certainly isn't giving him up for at least three good FRPs. Not until the deadline, at least.
Jazz really wants to tank because there's no way they build a legit contender around Markkanen and some middling picks.
It's just going to come down to who has the most patience.

I don't think getting Vassell does much for the Jazz. If Lauri is traded, they want picks, not a tank commander.

He'd be a perfect fit, but I would trade for Markkanen only if our start of the season is good and he's the player we need.
If we're poor again, then there's no point.

Tbh, I think Markkanen is the player Presti should finally cash in for. He fits their roster perfectly as the second scoring option.

I think I wouldn't mind a SGA/Chet/Lauri big 3 as an OKC fan... That'd make them contenders at least for the next 5 years, with still some assets to refine the rest of the roster.

[tbdog]

Not for a half a year rental. No way Ainge can get even close to that. I would trade Vassell for him tho

Well if he agrees to resign

[Mr. Body]

I think I wouldn't mind a SGA/Chet/Lauri big 3 as an OKC fan... That'd make them contenders at least for the next 5 years, with still some assets to refine the rest of the roster.

Markkannen on the Thunder might be great for us. He's so awful on defense, he'd wreck the gains they've made in that department. Anyone notice that Chicago and Cleveland both got better after he left? I get that Cleveland got much better the year he was traded there, but they picked up rookie Evan Mobley and other key changes, then got still better then they moved him.

[wildbill2u]

Would Sochan make a good centerpiece for any kind of trade that would be useful to us if surrounded by a couple of draft picks and maybe another player? (Sochan, Champaignie and 2 2nds for a decent wing.)

[jjspur]

Utah seems to be a team that will be making a few trades to go in one direction (tanking) or another (retooling to go up in the standings). With that in mind how about :
To Utah : Collins, Branham, and the Charlotte first
To SA : Collin Sexton

We get rid of a few players and picks that are probably more valuable to them (if they are tanking) for a player that could be more valuable to us (hopefully not tanking). Unfortunately you have to deal with Ainge who tries to screw over every team he deals with. The money works, its just that Ainge always seems to get the upper hand in most deals.

[Extra Stout]

Why trade for Sexton when you could just draft Dillingham

[KobesAchilles]

Well if he agrees to resign

I’m not a cap expert but I’m pretty sure he would make way more money not doing that and going on the open market

[mo7888]

Utah seems to be a team that will be making a few trades to go in one direction (tanking) or another (retooling to go up in the standings). With that in mind how about :
To Utah : Collins, Branham, and the Charlotte first
To SA : Collin Sexton

We get rid of a few players and picks that are probably more valuable to them (if they are tanking) for a player that could be more valuable to us (hopefully not tanking). Unfortunately you have to deal with Ainge who tries to screw over every team he deals with. The money works, its just that Ainge always seems to get the upper hand in most deals.

I'd be down for that.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Would Sochan make a good centerpiece for any kind of trade that would be useful to us if surrounded by a couple of draft picks and maybe another player? (Sochan, Champaignie and 2 2nds for a decent wing.)

If you are interested in selling low. In the long run the ball handling and command of the offense Sochan gained last year should help but that first half performance last year was ty tape.

Only asset beyond the untradeable Wemby likely to garner much is Vassell who improved yet again last season.

[T Park]

Utah seems to be a team that will be making a few trades to go in one direction (tanking) or another (retooling to go up in the standings). With that in mind how about :
To Utah : Collins, Branham, and the Charlotte first
To SA : Collin Sexton

We get rid of a few players and picks that are probably more valuable to them (if they are tanking) for a player that could be more valuable to us (hopefully not tanking). Unfortunately you have to deal with Ainge who tries to screw over every team he deals with. The money works, its just that Ainge always seems to get the upper hand in most deals.

they give up Sexton for a center a backup shooting guard and a second round pick?

ed weed tonight?

[tbdog]

I’m not a cap expert but I’m pretty sure he would make way more money not doing that and going on the open market

Well usually teams get permission to talk to players agent, and agree on a resign structure. Siakam would be the latest example.

[jjspur]

they give up Sexton for a center a backup shooting guard and a second round pick?

ed weed tonight?

Lets review for those who didn't quite read the post carefully enough.
1. if the jazz are tanking they will look for picks and short term contracts, every team does that. That deal offers both.
2. Whether the Jazz are tanking or not, with a decent amount of cap space they will be looking for deals. This one gives them even more options to go in either direction. Ainge will choose a path.
3. If Charlotte makes the playoffs, it will be a decent 1st rounder. If they don't its 2 decent second rounders. Three or possibly four players for one.
4. This is just an opinions website. Calm down dude, you aren't Ainge or Brian Wright and neither am I. They'll each do their jobs and we'll see what happens.
5. The good ed stuff usually comes from California, ask Cheech & Chong or beedy eyed, delusional Lakers fans.

[Knoxxx]

We have 5 second round picks in 2026, or 6 if the CHA pick doesn’t covey in 25.

[JPB]

Lets review for those who didn't quite read the post carefully enough.
1. if the jazz are tanking they will look for picks and short term contracts, every team does that. That deal offers both.
2. Whether the Jazz are tanking or not, with a decent amount of cap space they will be looking for deals. This one gives them even more options to go in either direction. Ainge will choose a path.
3. If Charlotte makes the playoffs, it will be a decent 1st rounder. If they don't its 2 decent second rounders. Three or possibly four players for one.
4. This is just an opinions website. Calm down dude, you aren't Ainge or Brian Wright and neither am I. They'll each do their jobs and we'll see what happens.
5. The good ed stuff usually comes from California, ask Cheech & Chong or beedy eyed, delusional Lakers fans.

Sorry but Ainge has no business doing that trade, whose only virtue is being good for the spurs. Tanking or not, the "You take my crap, I get a nice player' trades never work. the Jazz is apparently rebuilding by the middle but they wouldn't make any Sexton trade without a guaranteed, quality FRP plus several SRPs.

[jjspur]

Sorry but Ainge has no business doing that trade, whose only virtue is being good for the spurs. Tanking or not, the "You take my crap, I get a nice player' trades never work. the Jazz is apparently rebuilding by the middle but they wouldn't make any Sexton trade without a guaranteed, quality FRP plus several SRPs.

You're right this trade is a bit one sided, but in spite of what people think, Collins is a halfway decent player somewhat similar to former Jazz player Kelly Olynick, Branham is a player similar to Kris Dunn (one flawed offensively and one defensively) plus they get a pick or two. Some GM might see value in that trade. Ainge probably doesn't take the trade as is, he'd want more and more and more. Its a start and does work financially, you then start really negotiating then, but at some point you have to say go for it, or that's too much for just one non all star player player and not do the trade.

Teams do a lot of weird or lopsided trades all the time - some that make no sense at all. Ninety percent of proposals are shot down, that 's NBA life. Again it was just a thought - stranger things happen in the NBA we all know that. I'm not a real GM and I'm pretty sure no one else on this board is, but I appreciate an intelligent response rather than some knuckleheaded one.

On to the next proposal, but in the meantime, I'm keeping an eye on Ainge and Brian Wright. They will, or rather they both should do something interesting this summer.

[Ocotillo]

The thing about Ainge being this mastermind that squeezes his trading partner to the extent that the other party ends up getting over a barrel should not preclude someone in trying to make a deal if the team sees a player or an asset they feel will help their team. Just go into the negotiation with your eyes open and know your price and walk away if you can't get it. The only thing you have wasted is time but maybe you get what you want.

I'm just saying, don't let him screw you but be aware he will try and know when to cut bait if he won't give you what you want.

[jjspur]

The thing about Ainge being this mastermind that squeezes his trading partner to the extent that the other party ends up getting over a barrel should not preclude someone in trying to make a deal if the team sees a player or an asset they feel will help their team. Just go into the negotiation with your eyes open and know your price and walk away if you can't get it. The only thing you have wasted is time but maybe you get what you want.

I'm just saying, don't let him screw you but be aware he will try and know when to cut bait if he won't give you what you want.

Thank you for putting it so clearly. I couldn't have said it better !

[sfernald]

Omg, a sucker really is born every minute!

You guys forget the one thing about this draft is it is flat! #1 is about #10 quality in a different draft. And the #1 or #2 in this draft has about a good a chance of being a star as #10 or #11 in this draft. Yet you want to throw in all sorts of assets to move up two spots to guarantee your guy!

Thank god you guys aren’t running the show. We would be ed. For who? A euro guy nobody has barely watched. His agent made a couple highlight videos that gets you drooling. Well, you should look at his numbers in these playoffs: he didn’t hit a three in the last two games, 7/23 on threes (that’s just 30% on threes!) and just 74% at the line.

He can’t create . He can shoot in the corner. He’s not really 3&D cause he doesn’t really shoot threes very well and doesn’t really play D very well either.

Absolutely embarrassing that you would overpay for him, when you can just draft someone like Dillingham at #4 who at least has decent tape and stats and can truly breakdown a defense! Ugh.

[LeBowen]

Since we're at Markkanen and I mentioned him in Castle topic, what would be everyone's realistic trade for him?
Assuming that he agrees to stay with the Spurs, obviously.

I said many times I wouldn't want to deal with Ainge, but Markkanen would be such a perfect fit next to Wemby it might just be worth the trouble.
He's shooting 40% from deep on 8 attempts per game over the past two seasons as a seven footer, ffs. Doesn't need the ball, just keeps moving and shoots from anywhere.
Very good rebounder. Not a great defender, but not someone who's going to be torched. Can hold his own in most matchups and we could easily put him on bigs like Lopez that just want to pull Wemby out of the paint.

With that said, what would be a realistic trade?
Utah doesn't want any average players now, they just want picks.
Unless it's a three team trade, it would just be Collins and picks.
Would you give them 4 FRPs? Mind you, Collins has negative value and salary dumping him would require assets.

[KobesAchilles]

Since we're at Markkanen and I mentioned him in Castle topic, what would be everyone's realistic trade for him?
Assuming that he agrees to stay with the Spurs, obviously.

I said many times I wouldn't want to deal with Ainge, but Markkanen would be such a perfect fit next to Wemby it might just be worth the trouble.
He's shooting 40% from deep on 8 attempts per game over the past two seasons as a seven footer, ffs. Doesn't need the ball, just keeps moving and shoots from anywhere.
Very good rebounder. Not a great defender, but not someone who's going to be torched. Can hold his own in most matchups and we could easily put him on bigs like Lopez that just want to pull Wemby out of the paint.

With that said, what would be a realistic trade?
Utah doesn't want any average players now, they just want picks.
Unless it's a three team trade, it would just be Collins and picks.
Would you give them 4 FRPs? Mind you, Collins has negative value and salary dumping him would require assets.

4 is a lot of FRPs. The problem is that he is on a one year deal. We would have to max him right away and hope he doesn’t leave us. I would trade Sochan and Collins and our 2026 FRP and the Chi pick for Lauri. But I wouldn’t do more unless he did a sign and trade for us

[scott]

If you really want Lauri (which makes perfect sense… he’s a great fit), you probably just need to wait and see if he hits FA next season or hope to grab him at a deadline bargain deal in the scenario where Ainge knows he is leaving and just has to get something while he can (though S&T might still give Ainge a better ROI).

[jesterbobman]

If you really want Lauri (which makes perfect sense… he’s a great fit), you probably just need to wait and see if he hits FA next season or hope to grab him at a deadline bargain deal in the scenario where Ainge knows he is leaving and just has to get something while he can (though S&T might still give Ainge a better ROI).

I'd guess that they look to negotiate and extend using cap space. Lauri could also be dealt at the deadline for something from OKC (Have roughly the same bounty of picks as us, have a need for another shooting 3/4, are further along in the le space).
I think he's probably OKC bound for 3-4 picks at the deadline.

[baseline bum]

Well if he agrees to resign

Would you offer 5 year Bird max with the 8% raises to get him to agree? Otherwise he'd have not much incentive to.